MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

[BrianU]

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On behalf of Luis, who's trying to ease your concerns about progression:

Performance-Based Progression is not a one-size fits all system for every player. Every attribute level has an expected stat value associated with it, so the drop you saw with Avisail Garcia was "extreme" because he had a good Con vs L attribute to begin with. You shouldn't worry about the system getting out of hand, since these expected values are updated along with attribute progression. This means Garcia would experience less of a drop if he performed exactly the same the following season.

Here's an example of a guy who hit .177 over 260 ABs versus righties, and not experiencing a single point drop in Con vs R:

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On the flip side, here's someone hitting .331 versus lefties and only getting a one point increase:

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In the end, our simulator is going to generate stats that are in line with player attributes the vast majority of the time, but when unusual breakouts/crashes occur, we want to capture them, since this happens in the Majors all the time.

Awesome info! My hype meter is back on full blast. Last year there was a bit of talk around here for pitchers progressing much faster than hitters, and many years into the franchise the pitching became stacked. Any work adjusting that? The whole progression system seems like it changed a lot so perhaps that'll do it.

I don't know if anyone answered yet on the stream or in the thread but how does the morale system handle created players? Do they get the 7 aspects of morale and are they editable? How about generated draft players?

I'm loving the way the commentary, stats, contracts, and progression all come together to make the franchise more emergent and dynamic. I see huge advances in offline franchise this year. Keep kicking *** over there guys!

[BrianU]

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Also people are forgetting Sounds of the Show which is best used in franchise. Nothing beats playing on the road and hearing the authentic stadium sounds as you clobber the Phillies and Braves into the ground.

[Speedy]

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Anybody else notice Mill getting a question in during the stream?

[Cowboy008]

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That's why I play with them off.

I also noticed during the stream that a 22 year old prospects' ETA was 2020+ so he will be getting to the majors at age 27 or older. I really wish this was changed to be more realistic.

I think the GM goals and rating are good. If you complete some goals you'll get a good GM rating and that will give you more job offers from better teams.

As for the bold part maybe now with stats having a affect on a players progression he'll be coming up sooner than that if he performs well in the minors.

[timmermac]

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The main thing I'm excited about is the stat tracking, which will be available for PS3. However, all the other features are making me wish I could spring for an HDTV and PS4.

[Speedy]

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It looked to be an end of season, permanent 10-point decrease to the attribute based on a 114 AB sample of hitting .132 vLHPs.

Yes, I agree.

For platoon splits, a RHB needs about 2200 PA's vLHP for that past performance to be as predictive as a random 5.5% split in the future.

A LHB needs 1000 PA's vRHP for that past performance to be as predictive as a random 9% split in the future.

We could end up with all kinds of weird stuff...pronounced reverse platoon splits among them...if this aggressive progression/regression isn't patched/smoothed out.

Yes, that's my concern as well.

I think, at least for 2017, attribute changes should be solely/directly tied to training/coaching (here's hoping for a revamp! ) but having stats tie directly to a player's ratings has an opportunity to vastly change a player's effectiveness.

EDIT: Addressed by Victor...it's nonetheless something I'm kindly hesitant about and will be watching.

[dran1984]

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While I agree that a lot of things that we wanted to see added to franchise didn't make it in, a majority of the upgrades and additions still direct the feel of playing franchise. This is still gonna be a great game.

[Sip_16]

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Games looking great to me. Can't wait to start my franchise and try out the new improvements. Not everyone is gonna be happy but no one can ever deny what these guys do and how much work they put in. Thanks SCEA as long as u make MLB games I'll be buying even tho Ramone says it's unfortunate to live in Canada haha

[WaitTilNextYear]

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On behalf of Luis, who's trying to ease your concerns about progression:

Performance-Based Progression is not a one-size fits all system for every player. Every attribute level has an expected stat value associated with it, so the drop you saw with Avisail Garcia was "extreme" because he had a good Con vs L attribute to begin with. You shouldn't worry about the system getting out of hand, since these expected values are updated along with attribute progression. This means Garcia would experience less of a drop if he performed exactly the same the following season.

Here's an example of a guy who hit .177 over 260 ABs versus righties, and not experiencing a single point drop in Con vs R:

On the flip side, here's someone hitting .331 versus lefties and only getting a one point increase.

In the end, our simulator is going to generate stats that are in line with player attributes the vast majority of the time, but when unusual breakouts/crashes occur, we want to capture them, since this happens in the Majors all the time.

Thanks for the reply, Victor. This alleviates some of my concerns, and I understand your point about stats meeting/not meeting different levels of 'expectation' to trigger progression/regression (a 70 CON vLHP expects a higher batting average than a 45 CON vLHP and would drop more upon a poor showing), but I still wonder how many Avi Garcia cases there will really be.

If you (or vicariously, Luis) could follow up about this...does the progression/regression logic have any understanding of sample size? If Avisail Garcia had batted .000 in 2 ABs against lefties, would the penalty be as harsh as it was for batting .132 in 114 ABs? Would he have dropped 10 points anyway? I think most would hate for an injured player or a prospect with decent ratings to get a September callup only to get nailed on ratings at the end of the year if he didn't deliver in a tiny sample.

I suppose that it could always be reversed since ratings are editable, but nobody is going to want to do that! Especially now that I can put my Excel sheet away because the game is tracking stuff for me!

[TattooedEvil]

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i excited by what they've shown so far...everyone else seems to be bummed about things they are assuming???????????

if you're new here you'll see that things are never enough. for years all ud see on here is ppl yelling for all time stats and now that they have them its not good enough. nothing is never enough. most will still buy tho so its pointless haha

[Speedy]

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If you (or vicariously, Luis) could follow up about this...does the progression/regression logic have any understanding of sample size? If Avisail Garcia had batted .000 in 2 ABs against lefties, would the penalty be as harsh as it was for batting .132 in 114 ABs? Would he have dropped 10 points anyway? I think most would hate for an injured player or a prospect with decent ratings to get a September callup only to get nailed on ratings at the end of the year if he didn't deliver in a tiny sample.

Great, great, great, great question, WTNY...this is something I'm very interested in knowing as well.

[letsgomets75]

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Also people are forgetting Sounds of the Show which is best used in franchise. Nothing beats playing on the road and hearing the authentic stadium sounds as you clobber the Phillies and Braves into the ground.

[HustlinOwl]

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most will still buy tho so its pointless haha

the benefit of being only game in town, if a competitor Im willing to bet it would be a different story

[SFNiners816]

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I'm interested to see how the morale is gonna work concern the Stars. They said it was primarily based on batting and the 1,3 and 4 holes are considered the star slots. I'm not sure if I really like that. Honestly everything from 1-5 is a primo spot in the order. Hell my favorite guy ever (Ryno) batted a majority of his career in the 2 hole. This was the case during his young prime years 84-85 and then his second prime time '89-92.

I just don't think a guy is gonna get pissed off if he's batting 2nd or 5th. Maddon last year had a fairly stable rotation where Bryant and Rizzo where batting 2 and 3 because Russell was batting 9. This guaranteed these guys got first inning ABs but for the balance of the game they were essentially 3-4 guys.

Also the GM goals got me worried about getting into a situation where you have to win a WS every 3 years to stay with your team. I really have no interest in being another team and I was forced to keep the goals on because I year to year saved from 14 to 15. I'm in my 6th year and have won 2 WS with the Cubs and I'm just scared that if I don't win another one in the next 3 years I'll get booted because that the owners expectations. A GM especially with the Cubs would not lose his job for wining 2 WS in what would be 9 years. I seriously just wish they would implement a way to turn off the GM goals on a continuing franchise.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm interested to see how the morale is gonna work concern the Stars. They said it was primarily based on batting and the 1,3 and 4 holes are considered the star slots. I'm not sure if I really like that. Honestly everything from 1-5 is a primo spot in the order. Hell my favorite guy ever (Ryno) batted a majority of his career in the 2 hole. This was the case during his young prime years 84-85 and then his second prime time '89-92.

I just don't think a guy is gonna get pissed off if he's batting 2nd or 5th. Maddon last year had a fairly stable rotation where Bryant and Rizzo where batting 2 and 3 because Russell was batting 9. This guaranteed these guys got first inning ABs but for the balance of the game they were essentially 3-4 guys.

Also the GM goals got me worried about getting into a situation where you have to win a WS every 3 years to stay with your team. I really have no interest in being another team and I was forced to keep the goals on because I year to year saved from 14 to 15. I'm in my 6th year and have won 2 WS with the Cubs and I'm just scared that if I don't win another one in the next 3 years I'll get booted because that the owners expectations. A GM especially with the Cubs would not lose his job for wining 2 WS in what would be 9 years. I seriously just wish they would implement a way to turn off the GM goals on a continuing franchise.

I agree about the difficulties in basing the "Star" player morale expectation on lineup position. On its face, it's a clever idea and stars expecting to bat 1,3,4 is ok, but the 2 hole and maybe the 5 spot as well should be acceptable to a star player. I mean Trout, Bryant, and Donaldson just off the top of my head as stars that have spent significant time batting in the 2 hole. Hopefully Luis sees this and can sneak this into the game despite "code lock". lol. Not being able to bat Trout #2 without him getting mad would be really annoying.

With the GM goals, they've diversified that a bit. So by adding more of them to accomplish, the hope is that it's not all or nothing based on just 1 or 2 goals. Maybe it'll work such that if you accomplish your minor goals consistently, you will get more leniency on the major ones. Remains to be seen.