MLB The Show 16 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode & Gameplay (Archive Available)

[HozAndMoose]

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Here is the main Franchise part of the stream. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywnl4TOPfDY
HD will be up at some point.

[eric7064]

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Linking progression to stats is redundant and creates a circular flow. Player performance is affected by ratings, but now ratings are affected by player performance.

In real life, players don't get better because they bat .300, they bat .300 because they get better.

Bad idea.

Agreed. Avisal Garcia went from 72 contact vs lefties to 62. That is drastic. He did hit .143 I Believe. While I wouldn't mind SOME regression, how is he ever going to get better? He wont, it will only continue to drop.

I like some performance based progression but that seems drastic to me.

[jvalverde88]

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To summarize

I missed the first few minutes, so feel free to add to this...


(1) Commentary remembers past season awards and stats in franchise.

(2) Playoff pitcher stamina fix.

(3) Blockbuster free agent signing screens shows player in new uni.

(4) Morale system (not optional, can't turn off) has 7 components (only 4 factor into signing free agents)

(5) Scouting system with more info on generated players (not just 4 attributes, but all attributes given) and 20-80 system

(6) Generated players a bit more life-like appearance

(7) Full career and season stats tracked and sortable by player

(8) Ratings progression heavily tied to stats (saw a -9 and -10 applied after one season of batting terribly against LHPs)

(9) Trade logic changed, trade frequency slider added

(10) Luxury tax and revenue sharing added to financial system

(11) New budget screens including payroll 5 years into the future

(12) WAR stat (custom formula, but appears mostly similar to major websites) includes defense and positional adjustment for position players

(13) Considering a player import into franchise feature for next year


None of these updates are for online and if it isn't on this list, the answer is most likely no.

Nope nothing new here.

[bcruise]

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JMO:

This stream lost a lot of its thunder due to the leaked GT video. We probably weren't supposed to find out about career stats until Tuesday's vlog, and that's a huge addition for anyone who plays the mode long-term. It seems like by now, after the leaked trailer, that people are taking that addition for granted already and not considering it "new". Same for morale - that changes the whole structure of roster composition and contract signings (I'm actually a bit curious how the game will handle editing contracts now with that in place). Those were supposed to be huge reveals this week.

This would have been a pretty informative stream - even in the 30 minutes or so that they talked about franchise - if that video hadn't leaked. Even so we still got some nice tidbits like the blockbuster sign/trade thing and playoff pitcher fatigue being rebalanced.

[redsox4evur]

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Nope nothing new here.

Yep don't care about care about Franchise...only modes that make them extra money.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Linking progression to stats is redundant and creates a circular flow. Player performance is affected by ratings, but now ratings are affected by player performance.

In real life, players don't get better because they bat .300, they bat .300 because they get better.

Bad idea.

Agreed. Avisal Garcia went from 72 contact vs lefties to 62. That is drastic. He did hit .143 I Believe. While I wouldn't mind SOME regression, how is he ever going to get better? He wont, it will only continue to drop.

I like some performance based progression but that seems drastic to me.

Yeah, the +/- 10 is way too drastic and shows little knowledge of sample size/regressing splits. Someone should mail them a copy of Tom Tango's The Book!

[Bobhead]

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Linking progression to stats is redundant and creates a circular flow. Player performance is affected by ratings, but now ratings are affected by player performance.

In real life, players don't get better because they bat .300, they bat .300 because they get better.

Bad idea.

The point is that the two are now correlated together, which wasn't the case before. You're right in that the concept doesn't make sense from a logical perspective, but if you take a step back you'll realize that doesn't really matter.

In real life, a player occasionally gets better AND has a great year. Regardless of the order, the point is that the two things happen concurrently.

Again, I agree with you on the semantics, but this observation of yours has no real functional effect on the game. Even if they did it the "proper" way (which would be far more labor intensive), the net result would be exactly the same: a system that produces busts and surprise superstars, and translates those occurrences into actual changes in performance..

[eric7064]

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I do notice Ramone in this stream has said No Create a Stadium in "MLB 16". Many times. Emphasis on 16. I really think it will be in in MLB 17. The way he says it, it makes me think so.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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The percentage of non-franchise mode questions they're taking and answering in the franchise stream is a bit annoying...but I guess it gets to be a downer to keep saying 'no' to the same franchise mode questions.

[OUSOONERS#1]

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No a horrible game killed 2k. For MVP I cant speak on.

I know it make them money. I'm not saying that its a bad thing. The minute one pack is bought by anyone it makes them more money then franchise does. These $100 dollar plus games only happen because of DD.

That does not take away the fact that most improvements by far for 2 years in a row have gone to DD, yet OS is a very franchise dedicated fanbase and as you can see by many responses, people are underwhelmed. They have been teasing a franchise overhaul for 3+ years now, when is it going to happen?

Only reason MVP went away is because of exclusives not because it didn't make money .. MVP to me has still not been replaced as top console baseball game nit saying it didn't have problems but the Show only has it beat in Graphics only and that's sad really .. I agree DD is there money mode !!!

[bronxbombers21325]

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I'm just not all that thrilled with the player morale thing. I just cat shake this feeling that players are going to be impossible to keep happy or satisfied.

[Boozers]

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I can understand the viewpoint on DD but why would this mode take away hours of dev time?

[Knight165]

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I can understand the viewpoint on DD but why would this mode take away hours of dev time?

Personnel ....which is equal to man hours...so same thing.
But....that doesn't mean that without DD....they wouldn't have less devs working on the game...which could be the same amount of devs on franchise anyway.

M.K.
Knight165

[JTommy67]

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The point is that the two are now correlated together, which wasn't the case before. You're right in that the concept doesn't make sense from a logical perspective, but if you take a step back you'll realize that doesn't really matter.

In real life, a player occasionally gets better AND has a great year. Regardless of the order, the point is that the two things happen concurrently.

Again, I agree with you on the semantics, but this observation of yours has no real functional effect on the game. Even if they did it the "proper" way (which would be far more labor intensive), the net result would be exactly the same: a system that produces busts and surprise superstars, and translates those occurrences into actual changes in performance..

Unless we're talking about a couple of fluke at-bats, increased skill (relative to the opposing pitcher/hitter) is a prerequisite for increased performance. Players most certainly do not simultaneously express both at once; one causes the other, and its the reason that players don't begin exponentially increasing their output. Babe Ruth hitting a home run does not cause him to hit another home run, and doesn't increase his power in any way. The performance on the field is an effect of his skill relative to the pitcher he is facing.

This is fundamental cause-and-effect and has been, traditionally, the foundation of the rating, progression, and performance system. If users seek rewards for their performance, I would think winning more games would be it.

The new relationship is problematic because it creates a circular system. Ratings affect performance, which in turn affect ratings, which then affect performance, etc...All else being equal, it would accelerate progression either upward or downward much like a snowball, for at least some players. Performing well with a less-skilled player would not be just a great season, it would be a move toward changing the very potential arc of the player.

I do not see how the old system of progression is more labor intensive.

I have no problem with this in the RTTS, but in franchise mode...no way. But I guess we'll see how this plays out.

[Knight165]

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Only reason MVP went away is because of exclusives not because it didn't make money .. MVP to me has still not been replaced as top console baseball game nit saying it didn't have problems but the Show only has it beat in Graphics only and that's sad really .. I agree DD is there money mode !!!

Well....not exactly.
MVP didn't make enough money for EA to outbid 2K for the license ....which was obviously a problem for 2K as they couldn't make enough money to keep the game afloat ....
Which is the same as.....baseball games needed to make more money for the companies...which is why DD(although not my mode at all) is actually a blessing for baseball games.....

The other part of your post...well...I was already laughing at this thread...so...

M.K.
Knight165