MLB The Show 16 Player Ratings - Top Players at Each Position

[Cavicchi]

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Why would a catcher block a ball which isn't in the dirt?

Do you think that Wild Pitch data you use from fangraphs only states blocked balls in the dirt? You don't believe that data also includes 0ther types of wild pitches?

See my post above yours.

[Cavicchi]

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You're the one who presented the argument, it should be on you to prove it with more than GGs. Google it, RPP = Catcher Blocked Pitches in runs above average, excluding 2015 which isn't calculated: Posey 9.1 Perez 3.5. Maybe if Perez played in the NL he wouldn't have so many fancy awards.

See my post below yours.

[Cavicchi]

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Sorry for the consecutive posts, but just have to post this for all to see from that link http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/201...s-molina-perez

"As illustrated in the AL blocking leaders graphic, Perez had an MLB-best blocking percentage on expected passed balls, but his RPP ranks 10th amongst MLB 600+ inning catchers; plus, despite facing 14 more expected passed ball pitches than the RPP league leader Molina, he allowed the same number. For a little known fact drawn from the Molina/Perez comparison, note that this past season Perez not only had 147 more blocks, a block per game more than Molina, but further, Perez posted more blocks and blocks/9 than Molina has amassed in any of his six consecutive Gold Glove seasons. Brief conclusion: be wary of Perez's "low" (still 4th in the AL) RPP — he is a premier, if not the premier pitch blocking catcher in the game today, although his numbers may potentially be inflated by more opportunities."

[Speedy]

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Y'awl are arguing about wild pitches.

[Cavicchi]

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Y'awl are arguing about wild pitches.

Relative to pitch blocking, I am not interested in wild pitch data anymore

[JTommy67]

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Could you give an example of multiple players at the same position whose defensive ratings you think are incorrect relative to each other?

Well one that had me perplexed is DJ LeMahieu's arm accuracy rating of 37. Calculating a throwing error percentage using just about any denominator (assists, balls fielded, total chances, etc...) he not only was tops in the majors, but came in first or second out of all second basemen since 1988, which is the first year I believe that throwing error data is complete for all teams.

Even if you credit first basemen for saving a lot of bad throws, it's hard to see why he is just a 37. Granted, I don't know much about him, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. They rated him a 37 the first year (three years ago), and then never changed it - it's been the same every year since despite making so few throwing errors.

In general, I didn't compare individual players. I just happened to notice stuff like this once in awhile.

[Sip_16]

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I still can't get over someone actually believea Ellsbury is a top 3 CF.

[Balla Da Le Playa]

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regarding Ellsbury, somebody's stuck in 2011. an 82 is generous maybe to generous

[tessl]

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Well one that had me perplexed is DJ LeMahieu's arm accuracy rating of 37. Calculating a throwing error percentage using just about any denominator (assists, balls fielded, total chances, etc...) he not only was tops in the majors, but came in first or second out of all second basemen since 1988, which is the first year I believe that throwing error data is complete for all teams.

Even if you credit first basemen for saving a lot of bad throws, it's hard to see why he is just a 37. Granted, I don't know much about him, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. They rated him a 37 the first year (three years ago), and then never changed it - it's been the same every year since despite making so few throwing errors.

In general, I didn't compare individual players. I just happened to notice stuff like this once in awhile.

That's a good example. The developers have in the past posted a link for people who think a player's attributes are wrong. I don't have time to search for it but this would be a great example of what they are looking for.

[NYC22]

regarding Ellsbury, somebody's stuck in 2011. an 82 is generous maybe to generous

Check the stats, bitch.

[letsgomets75]

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Check the stats, bitch.

Maybe you should : http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...llsbja01.shtml

Quite the fall since 2011.

[MrOldboy]

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Maybe you should : http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...llsbja01.shtml

Quite the fall since 2011.

Ellsbury's numbers are actually pretty good over the past 3 seasons or so. Last year he fell off, but he is one year removed from a 4.0 fWAR season. Compared to his monster 2011, sure, he's fallen quite a bit, but he is still a solid CF.

[HozAndMoose]

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Check the stats, bitch.

Which stat are we supposed to be checking?

Batting

Last 3 years (minimum 1000 PA)

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Last 2 years (minimum 750 PA)

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And last year with no minimum

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Fielding

Last 3 years (2500 innings)

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Last 2 years (1500 innings)

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Last year (900 innings)

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[HozAndMoose]

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Ellsbury's numbers are actually pretty good over the past 3 seasons or so. Last year he fell off, but he is one year removed from a 4.0 fWAR season. Compared to his monster 2011, sure, he's fallen quite a bit, but he is still a solid CF.

Still not even top 3 over last 3 years though

[MrOldboy]

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Still not even top 3 over last 3 years though

I never mentioned that. Simply responding to the notion that Ellsbury doesn't deserve an 82 OVR. That puts him in the upper 10 or so CF's in the game which makes sense given his production over the past 3 years+.