MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

[newmich]

So every year when The Show comes out the first thing I do is I jump right into franchise mode and try to learn some strategies for scouting and free agency. This year I think I am going to do something different depending on the feedback I get from the community. Seeing as I am light on hours this week at work and don't have much homework as my final semester in college is winding down, I was thinking about tackling the progression and regression problems we have all been have for the past few years.

What I have planned is to sim 10 years of a brand new franchise in MLB 15 with either SCEA rosters or rosters from OS (the communities choice) and throwing one 99 overall 22 year old player in the mix (to be explained in a moment). I will keep track of the stats and if you guys want I can even post the leaderboards for key stats every other year or so on here to get a good view of the progression and regression of the Franchise.

Next, when MLB 16 comes out I will jump right into a franchise with either SCEA or OS rosters (whatever I did with MLB 15 for consistency with the prospect ratings), a 99 overall 22 year old player, and sim 10 years again. I will follow the same process I used in MLB 15 with MLB 16 and try to get a good glimpse at stats and pitcher vs batter ratings/stats as the years progress.

The point of this is that in MLB 14 we had batters start to dominate as you got further into your franchise, in MLB 15 we saw the franchise of the pitchers. This will give us a glimpse from week 1 of what we can expect from MLB 16 so we can try to work out any kinks right away and get the developers attention if we find any major problems. The reason I want to add the created player is because for the past few years I have noticed really high rated players drop off a cliff by the age of 26. That would include the likes of Trout, Kershaw, Harper, and maybe others and that really bugs me.

If this sounds like something the community agrees with let me know and I will start it right away after work on Tuesday the 22nd. Let me know what stats I should keep track of, what rosters to use, and anything else of concern. Plus if you guys would like I can stream while I do the simming so you can get an inside glimpse of what is going on.

Thanks for the feedback everyone ahead of time!

[Willis135]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

I say yes as well. I suggest starting with scea rosters so you can start your 16 Sims asap

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[newmich]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

Thank you guys, I will get started on this tonight when I get done with work. I will post some information on the stats and ratings every two years to try to save space on the thread. Feel free to chime in whenever you would like, and if there is anything in particular you want me to keep an eye on just let me know. I am creating a separate save file after every year or two so I can go back and really dive into everything.

[tessl]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

So every year when The Show comes out the first thing I do is I jump right into franchise mode and try to learn some strategies for scouting and free agency. This year I think I am going to do something different depending on the feedback I get from the community. Seeing as I am light on hours this week at work and don't have much homework as my final semester in college is winding down, I was thinking about tackling the progression and regression problems we have all been have for the past few years.

What I have planned is to sim 10 years of a brand new franchise in MLB 15 with either SCEA rosters or rosters from OS (the communities choice) and throwing one 99 overall 22 year old player in the mix (to be explained in a moment). I will keep track of the stats and if you guys want I can even post the leaderboards for key stats every other year or so on here to get a good view of the progression and regression of the Franchise.

Next, when MLB 16 comes out I will jump right into a franchise with either SCEA or OS rosters (whatever I did with MLB 15 for consistency with the prospect ratings), a 99 overall 22 year old player, and sim 10 years again. I will follow the same process I used in MLB 15 with MLB 16 and try to get a good glimpse at stats and pitcher vs batter ratings/stats as the years progress.

The point of this is that in MLB 14 we had batters start to dominate as you got further into your franchise, in MLB 15 we saw the franchise of the pitchers. This will give us a glimpse from week 1 of what we can expect from MLB 16 so we can try to work out any kinks right away and get the developers attention if we find any major problems. The reason I want to add the created player is because for the past few years I have noticed really high rated players drop off a cliff by the age of 26. That would include the likes of Trout, Kershaw, Harper, and maybe others and that really bugs me.

If this sounds like something the community agrees with let me know and I will start it right away after work on Tuesday the 22nd. Let me know what stats I should keep track of, what rosters to use, and anything else of concern. Plus if you guys would like I can stream while I do the simming so you can get an inside glimpse of what is going on.

Thanks for the feedback everyone ahead of time!

Use SCEA rosters. All your draft picks will be SCEA anyway.

[extremeskins04]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

The reason I want to add the created player is because for the past few years I have noticed really high rated players drop off a cliff by the age of 26. That would include the likes of Trout, Kershaw, Harper, and maybe others and that really bugs me.

Um, what? Trout, Kershaw and Harper haven't dropped off a cliff in rating. Last year all of those players still remained above a 90 even by the age of 28.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

Um, what? Trout, Kershaw and Harper haven't dropped off a cliff in rating. Last year all of those players still remained above a 90 even by the age of 28.

What about franchise mode, 5 & 6 years down the road, say 2021. Not season one, default roster.

[newmich]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

Um, what? Trout, Kershaw and Harper haven't dropped off a cliff in rating. Last year all of those players still remained above a 90 even by the age of 28.

That's why I mentioned it, I don't know if too many people have seen that or not. I personally have noticed that players that are 99 overall tend to regress fairly quickly at a young age. I have seen instances by the age of 31 Kershaw and Trout were mid 60s for overalls. I guess this experiment will answer that

[eric7064]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

That's why I mentioned it, I don't know if too many people have seen that or not. I personally have noticed that players that are 99 overall tend to regress fairly quickly at a young age. I have seen instances by the age of 31 Kershaw and Trout were mid 60s for overalls. I guess this experiment will answer that

In MLB 14. Not 15. They fixed that. And they usually dropped to low 80's

[newmich]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

In MLB 14. Not 15. They fixed that. And they usually dropped to low 80's

If that is the case then that is good to know I could swear I saw that in 15 but from the sounds of it I've just been having dreadful flashbacks to 14 lol.

I am getting started as we speak and it looks like we will be using the SCEA rosters. I am also going to scratch the idea of the created player since it sounds like that problem was fixed. My main goal isn't as much the MLB 15 figures since I'm sure we all know that the pitchers dominate later on. The big thing here is to compare 15 to 16 so we have an idea right away on what to expect later on in franchise. Plus my hope is that if we do run into problems with 16, we will have enough evidence and facts for the developers to use to try to improve on it through patches or in 17.

Quick question for everyone since I'm still trying to think about how to post everything. For ptcher ratings I was going to post what the league average rating was for the number 5 starters, what is everyone's thoughts on how I should post position players? Also batters obviously we want to look at avg., hits and HRs. What stats should we use to measure pitchers? I'm thinking ERA, innings, and strikeouts.

[Serloar]

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I can only speak for the Red Sox, high overall young players by the time you hit 2021-2022 start regressing heavily losing 5 to 8 points in overall per year. I'm talking about the likes of Henry Ownes, Bogaerts, Betts, etc.

I can understand it could happen on one of them, that can happen on a player suddenly, but not in everyone of them.

edit: I'm talking mlb '15

[extremeskins04]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

That's why I mentioned it, I don't know if too many people have seen that or not. I personally have noticed that players that are 99 overall tend to regress fairly quickly at a young age. I have seen instances by the age of 31 Kershaw and Trout were mid 60s for overalls. I guess this experiment will answer that

That did not happen in my franchise. They all retired and were in the low 80's, not 60's.

[coachchris]

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I played the Show 15 franchise religiously until about a month ago and I will be very interested in your findings.

I spent hours and hours trying to fix problems with progression/regression down the road in franchise. After editing potential and ratings to keep a pretty solid league about 6 years in I had enough.

The final straw was most of the players I was looking forward to hitting the free agent market around that time just start falling off a cliff and were terrible within a few years. i.e. Gerrit Cole, Kris Bryant, Paul Goldschmidt, Miguel Sano, Mookie Betts, etc.etc.

It seemed to correspond with getting six years of service not age. Cole was down into the 70's before he turned 30.

[NightRaven3]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

Definitely. I spent way too much time last year editing pitcher potentials after the draft. Would like to know if I'm in for that again this year.

Thar was beyond annoying. Editing drafts and then having to go through every roster to edit some pitchers so some guys can hit above .300. I really hope that was fixed. I don't mind seeing 80-99 guys but when it got out of hand and you started to see teams with 3-4 90s pitchers in their rotation with crazy velocity and junk it really grind my gears.

[NightRaven3]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

Another issue I remembered was since pitchers were heavily favored, you would notice teams would have like 8-9 starting pitchers on their 25 man roster because the cpu would pick players on their ratings instead of their needs. You would see a SP with a 74 overall be picked over a 73 RP even when the team already had 6 SPs. Very annoying

[newmich]

Re: MLB 16 Franchise Progression/Regression Thread

I played the Show 15 franchise religiously until about a month ago and I will be very interested in your findings.

I spent hours and hours trying to fix problems with progression/regression down the road in franchise. After editing potential and ratings to keep a pretty solid league about 6 years in I had enough.

The final straw was most of the players I was looking forward to hitting the free agent market around that time just start falling off a cliff and were terrible within a few years. i.e. Gerrit Cole, Kris Bryant, Paul Goldschmidt, Miguel Sano, Mookie Betts, etc.etc.

It seemed to correspond with getting six years of service not age. Cole was down into the 70's before he turned 30.

I feel same way as you that it is based more on service time than it does age. If I do notice anything I will update this thread right away. I am glad though that you are interested in this experiment and hopefully others are as well. I have a few seasons done and have seen a drop in batting average already. I have saved the game at the end of the regular season and will go back and take a deep dive into the stats and ratings when I have all ten seasons done. I just figured that would be the best route in terms of time consumption lol.

I guess lucky for you guys we are getting 10-14 inches of snow overnight tonight and my 7am class got cancelled, so that means I get to get some more seasons in!