MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just do whatever you feel is alright. I think the calculation was 1 WAR is equal to $7 million. So he is worth $21 M per season. So it would be 5 for $105MM. But I could be wrong about that 1 WAR remember.

I still think the actual value of a win is unknown, but most people seem to come out with about $8 - 8.5 million per WAR and inflating accordingly by a few percent (~5%) each year.

[TitoFranc]

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Just do whatever you feel is alright. I think the calculation was 1 WAR is equal to $7 million. So he is worth $21 M per season. So it would be 5 for $105MM. But I could be wrong about that 1 WAR remember.

Oh but I've been told hesnit good so he doesn't need to sign for that much. 5 years 10 Mil per is good for a player like him. Pst baseball also doesn't follow the WAR contract rule either so it's about keeping it realistic.

[CKW11]

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Ah since Brantley isn't good I guess I can just sign him to a 5 year 10 mil per extension. WAR and all right ?

Dude you're being really ridiculous. No one in here said Brantley isn't talented. We all know the guy is good, but is he going to bring back a top tier prospect and then some? Absolutely not.

All you are pointing out in his defense are offensive numbers. There's more that goes into a players total value than what his BA is or how many doubles he hit. As was pointed out his below average defense diminishes his value.

[TitoFranc]

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Dude you're being really ridiculous. No one in here said Brantley isn't talented. We all know the guy is good, but is he going to bring back a top tier prospect and then some? Absolutely not.

All you are pointing out in his defense are offensive numbers. There's more that goes into a players total value than what his BA is or how many doubles he hit. As was pointed out his below average defense diminishes his value.

Then the Indians have zero reason to trade him

a gold glove finalist means you have below average defense ? News to the rest of the baseball world.

[k_mac]

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Except it's for a full season, not half and it's trading him to markets thst have the willingness to sign him to the money he would probably get on the open market, so it was thinking subjectively. What people who think Michael Brantley wouldn't bring back a haul are people think he plays for the Indians so he can't be that good. I mean cespedes brought back a guy who's a top 50 prospect in baseball this year for only 2 months, not a whole season, and he hasn't been as good as Brantley over the last 2 years.



I mean if Brantley played for another team I don't think anyone would be saying Bradley Zimmer is too much to give up for Brantley.

Michael Brantley could play for any team in the league and my comments wouldn't have changed. Nobody who follows baseball is like "well that dude is **** because he plays for Cleveland." It doesn't work like that, and won't no matter how many times you say it. Like I said before.. Nobody is out to get you man, just calm down with that stuff. It's an overreaction.

I really don't think I want to know this answer.. But are you trying to say Brad Zimmer has the same value as a package of Schwarber ++?

[redsox4evur]

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Michael Brantley could play for any team in the league and my comments wouldn't have changed. Nobody who follows baseball is like "well that dude is **** because he plays for Cleveland." It doesn't work like that, and won't no matter how many times you say it. Like I said before.. Nobody is out to get you man, just calm down with that stuff. It's an overreaction.

I really don't think I want to know this answer.. But are you trying to say Brad Zimmer has the same value as a package of Schwarber ++?

I think it's more that a Brad Zimmer ++ is = to Schwarber ++

And I agree with the first part. I would say that no matter what team he is on. Where he is on a 1 year deal I wouldn't trade 2 top 50 prospects for him. When all I would get for him is a measly sandwich pick.

[TitoFranc]

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Michael Brantley could play for any team in the league and my comments wouldn't have changed. Nobody who follows baseball is like "well that dude is **** because he plays for Cleveland." It doesn't work like that, and won't no matter how many times you say it. Like I said before.. Nobody is out to get you man, just calm down with that stuff. It's an overreaction.

I really don't think I want to know this answer.. But are you trying to say Brad Zimmer has the same value as a package of Schwarber ++?

Well the first part is totally false. The guys been an MVP candidate and a gold glove finalist and people think the best he can bring back is mid level prospects lol thst says it all.

I'm saying it has the same value as a Judge ++ package.

[k_mac]

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Well the first part is totally false. The guys been an MVP candidate and a gold glove finalist and people think the best he can bring back is mid level prospects lol thst says it all.



I'm saying it has the same value as a Judge ++ package.

I don't see why Brantley couldn't bring back a Cespedes-type of package if you trade him at the deadline.. But nothing you proposed was anything like what that deal was in 2015.

I'll say it again.. You have to look at both sides of a trade. The Yankees don't have a deep system so they value Judge more than most. Add that in with the fact they're trying to get younger and clear cap.. Trading Judge in a package for a year of a guy doesn't make sense. They might do it at the deadline if they're in the hunt and injuries have wiped out their outfield.

The Cubs could use Brantley, sure. If you're rolling with the Schwarber injury and all.. But there's no way they deal Schwarber. They have Soler, they have Baez. (No I'm not saying those guys are better than Brantley) The only way Schwarber gets shipped out of town is for an ace. Period.

I'm wasting my time typing this out though, because you're going to rip apart everything I say (and everyone else) and say we're out to get you and the Indians. Let's just move on. Trade Brantley for whatever you want man, it's a video game and it's not worth getting as worked up as you are about this right now.

[TitoFranc]

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[QUOTE=k_mac;2048114356]I don't see why Brantley couldn't bring back a Cespedes-type of package if you trade him at the deadline.. But nothing you proposed was anything like what that deal was in 2015.

I'll say it again.. You have to look at both sides of a trade. The Yankees don't have a deep system so they value Judge more than most. Add that in with the fact they're trying to get younger and clear cap.. Trading Judge in a package for a year of a guy doesn't make sense. They might do it at the deadline if they're in the hunt and injuries have wiped out their outfield.

The Cubs could use Brantley, sure. If you're rolling with the Schwarber injury and all.. But there's no way they deal Schwarber. They have Soler, they have Baez. (No I'm not saying those guys are better than Brantley) The only way Schwarber gets shipped out of town is for an ace. Period.

I'm wasting my time typing this out though, because you're going to rip apart everything I say (and everyone else) and say we're out to get you and the Indians. Let's just move on. Trade Brantley for whatever you want man, it's a video game and it's not worth getting as worked up as you are about this right now.[/right and hav]

I have looked at both sides as already stated.

Sure because I know I'm right and have proven it.

[TitoFranc]

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And like I said , I'm fine with resigning him at a 5 yr 10-12 Mil deal if WAR matters so much since baseball follows a 3/4 Mil per 1 war deal

[redsox4evur]

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And like I said , I'm fine with resigning him at a 5 yr 10-12 Mil deal if WAR matters so much since baseball follows a 3/4 Mil per 1 war deal

It's 8M-8.5M per 1 WAR as WTNY just said within the last 10-15 posts.

[TitoFranc]

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It's 8M-8.5M per 1 WAR as WTNY just said within the last 10-15 posts.

Yeah it's not though because no player in baseball makes 8M-8.5 per 1WAR. Plus he number also isn't 8-8.5 it's 5-7 Mil. Plus as I've been told Brantley's WAR is only half of Cespedes so he will get signed for half the money which is about 12 Mil.

Can't use WAR for one logic and not the other in comparisons, half the war means half the money.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yeah it's not though because no player in baseball makes 8M-8.5 per 1WAR. Plus he number also isn't 8-8.5 it's 5-7 Mil. Plus as I've been told Brantley's WAR is only half of Cespedes so he will get signed for half the money which is about 12 Mil.

Can't use WAR for one logic and not the other in comparisons, half the war means half the money.

Any links, articles...backing up this number? Or just because you think so? I could link you to my value pretty quickly...just read anything on FanGraphs.

Not everyone makes exactly $8- 8.5, you are right about that, but it's approximately the rate in free agency that these things are judged by (by us outsiders...who knows what the teams actually use).

[k_mac]

MLB 16 Trade Discussion Thread

Sure because I know I'm right and have proven it.

If you know you're right then why are you still debating it? You came in here and asked for our opinions. We gave them to you, you got angry, now we're here. It doesn't have to be like that, I promise.

This attitude is why you think everyone has something against you. If you didn't come in here blasting the "I'm right and you're wrong" stuff at us then maybe we could all engage in an intelligent conversation about trades in your franchise. It has nothing to do with the Indians per se, and more to do with your overall attitude (it just so happens you're an Indians fan).

Let's move on from the whole Brantley trade mess.

[TitoFranc]

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Any links, articles...backing up this number? Or just because you think so? I could link you to my value pretty quickly...just read anything on FanGraphs.

Not everyone makes exactly $8- 8.5, you are right about that, but it's approximately the rate in free agency that these things are judged by (by us outsiders...who knows what the teams actually use).

I mean google is pretty easy to use , it's pretty easy to do research. You should try it sometime. Might get some facts right.

Frangraphs you say? Funny when I googled war contracts in baseball the first thing that popped up was an article 2 seasons back saying 5-7. Sounds like your whole 8-8.5 is just bogus after all, but anyone who actually follows baseball knows that from the start

And no it's approx, Cespedes is making about half of what he should be making according to that, or like I said, the more realistic 3-4 sometimes 5-6 thst everyone in baseball useses because it's something that can be proven unlike the bogus and wrong 8 Mil