Is Directional hitting working properly?

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I don't know the ratings of the players involved or your sliders. But if we use FanGraphs style reckoning where Positive = Hard contact, Neutral = Medium and Negative = Soft - that's way too much soft contact.

But later, you mention you got 90% hard contact on good timing after some tweaks.

That just seems like one extreme to the other...that's a little concerning to me. At first you were getting much too little even medium contact and now you're pretty much getting hard hits most of the time?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're reporting. Sounds like, basically, we you do everything right, you get 90% hard hits.

I don't know, maybe I'm thinking in terms of what someone like Miguel Cabrera or Giancarlo Stanton could do with 90% hard hits!

I'm getting between 80 and 90% (I'm just spitballing not hard data) hard contact when I do EVERYTHING right. So if I'm influencing pull and it's a fastball high and outside, I'm going to swing through it, roll over it, foul it or bloop it at best and most likely pop it up or lazy fly, even on perfect timing.

I'm definitely not getting 90% hard contact. That would be ridiculous. I'd say about a third of my contact is hard. Still getting plenty of choppers and popouts, they just happen to be ones I deserve now. Also I do seem to be striking out swinging at a good rate, also working out a few walks. Overall I'm really happy with the results.

[KBLover]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I'm getting between 80 and 90% (I'm just spitballing not hard data) hard contact when I do EVERYTHING right. So if I'm influencing pull and it's a fastball high and outside, I'm going to swing through it, roll over it, foul it or bloop it at best and most likely pop it up or lazy fly, even on perfect timing.

I'm definitely not getting 90% hard contact. That would be ridiculous. I'd say about a third of my contact is hard. Still getting plenty of choppers and popouts, they just happen to be ones I deserve now. Also I do seem to be striking out swinging at a good rate, also working out a few walks. Overall I'm really happy with the results.

Oh okay - yeah about a third sounds great. Also good job on finding a solution that works for you and sticking with trying to make the interface work for you.

[TheWarmWind]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

My sliders: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...g-sliders.html

Also in the vault as TheWarmWind Center Swing

[chanseyelverton]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I use directional bc it's what I find the easiest of the options and what I like the best. Results? Mixed. However, u would think the PCI would move based off the concept like last years. Why would the cpu's move each time and not the user? Just something to think about. Regardless I'm still using it and I love the game. Just stating my own personal opinion involving the cpu's moving and the users staying stationary

[Speedy]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

Are you sure about this?

I thought the PCI was moved in relation to the pitch according to the batter's plate vision rating?

I believe so just based off of what I see now and how it was last year.
Someone can fact check me but Directional Hitting last year, the PCI did not show on swing info at all.

Also when you turn on Directional Hitting, the PCI Reticle option is disabled. When you turn PCI on or off in Directional Hitting, it actually just shows you where you are holding stick, it does not actually influence the PCI, so if you are pulling stick to left, it does not move PCI to the left it just influences the ball you hit to the left.

Additionally, you can see pic I posted above where ball was under the "PCI" and I hit it up in the air for a HR. If this were truly the PCI we see in Zone, that would have been a ball on the ground as the bat would have been "aimed" on top of the ball.

I apologize...I checked last night and you are completely right. I dislike this entirely. I thought it worked where the PCI was placed at random (based on ratings).

I don't understand this type of hitting system at all. I'd like to just time my swing and the batter's plate vision determine where my PCI will be when I swing. In addition, the swing can/should be influenced by where I want to hit the ball...so if I want to hit the ball in the air, the PCI has an additional variable to try and get under the ball (and subsequent for whatever direction I choose).

That makes much more logical sense to me than the system currently in place.

[El_MaYiMbE]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I apologize...I checked last night and you are completely right. I dislike this entirely. I thought it worked where the PCI was placed at random (based on ratings).

I don't understand this type of hitting system at all. I'd like to just time my swing and the batter's plate vision determine where my PCI will be when I swing. In addition, the swing can/should be influenced by where I want to hit the ball...so if I want to hit the ball in the air, the PCI has an additional variable to try and get under the ball (and subsequent for whatever direction I choose).

That makes much more logical sense to me than the system currently in place.

I get why it makes sense to you, but only because it was only real option for so long, and we have been conditioned to think it makes sense.

I find it too difficult to place the PCI under the ball when the ball is moving, especially when I do not know where exactly the ball is going to end up. While that is literally what happens when you are playing real baseball and batting, in practice it is not THAT complicated....remember you are playing as MLB players who eat, breathe, and sleep baseball....not as a PS4 player, holding a remote, drinking beer on their couch. These things are 2nd nature to the athletes we are "controlling" no matter how good or bad their skills are. If they made it to the MLB and are in the game, swinging a bat to them is natural and not complex.Their attributes and how successful they are is another discussion....

A batters natural hand eye coordination determine if the swing is under or over the ball, and their swing and body language influence if the ball is pulled or hit opposite field (in addition to being late or early).

Its same way you do not need to aim a basketball to shoot it. Yes it takes a different trajectory to shoot a 3 than it is to shoot from paint, but the tweak is a minor adjustment the player makes naturally. Though not exactly the same, its a similar concept. Trying to place the PCI not where the ball is going, but to the opposite side of where you are trying to influence is too complicated.

On top of that you cannot pick which side of field you want to hit to, which eliminates a whole strategic approach to the game that is baseball.

To me Zone is just as, if not more random than Directional Hitting.
Because you can hover the PCI exactly over the ball and time it perfect...

Now the game is going to determine if:

1. The ball should be in the air or ground
2. How hard it should be hit
3. Should it be pulled or pushed

With Directional Hitting you can at least influence #1 and #3 on a perfectly time swing that is within the hitters zone.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

Working perfectly for me, I mean I think it works great, almost that I love the foul off battles I have with the cpu pitching.

a place of the unknown.

[nemesis04]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I apologize...I checked last night and you are completely right. I dislike this entirely. I thought it worked where the PCI was placed at random (based on ratings).

I don't understand this type of hitting system at all. I'd like to just time my swing and the batter's plate vision determine where my PCI will be when I swing. In addition, the swing can/should be influenced by where I want to hit the ball...so if I want to hit the ball in the air, the PCI has an additional variable to try and get under the ball (and subsequent for whatever direction I choose).

That makes much more logical sense to me than the system currently in place.

The system is using a PCI under the hood and moves based on your timing and player attributes, it is just the visual feedback that is locked in the analysis screen.

[p00p1]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I get why it makes sense to you, but only because it was only real option for so long, and we have been conditioned to think it makes sense.

I find it too difficult to place the PCI under the ball when the ball is moving, especially when I do not know where exactly the ball is going to end up. While that is literally what happens when you are playing real baseball and batting, in practice it is not THAT complicated....remember you are playing as MLB players who eat, breathe, and sleep baseball....not as a PS4 player, holding a remote, drinking beer on their couch. These things are 2nd nature to the athletes we are "controlling" no matter how good or bad their skills are. If they made it to the MLB and are in the game, swinging a bat to them is natural and not complex.Their attributes and how successful they are is another discussion....

A batters natural hand eye coordination determine if the swing is under or over the ball, and their swing and body language influence if the ball is pulled or hit opposite field (in addition to being late or early).

Its same way you do not need to aim a basketball to shoot it. Yes it takes a different trajectory to shoot a 3 than it is to shoot from paint, but the tweak is a minor adjustment the player makes naturally. Though not exactly the same, its a similar concept. Trying to place the PCI not where the ball is going, but to the opposite side of where you are trying to influence is too complicated.

On top of that you cannot pick which side of field you want to hit to, which eliminates a whole strategic approach to the game that is baseball.

To me Zone is just as, if not more random than Directional Hitting.
Because you can hover the PCI exactly over the ball and time it perfect...

Now the game is going to determine if:

1. The ball should be in the air or ground
2. How hard it should be hit
3. Should it be pulled or pushed

With Directional Hitting you can at least influence #1 and #3 on a perfectly time swing that is within the hitters zone.

I don't feel this way with zone in 16. If I hit the ball in the upper part of the PCI it goes airborne, if I connect in the bottom of the zone, it is a grounder or a chopper. I like the wedge PCI, because it gives you the corners and a small dot right in the center.

[bcruise]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

I think it still moves on directional, honestly. I had a whole post written up about how I didn't at first, but then I saw this:

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Default All-Star, btw.

You might have to pause the video at :21 when Perez's swing display pops up - it's only up for less than a second before I pause and it's important to understand what's going on with that.

Don't worry too much about what the hit looked like - that's not the focus here. There's a reason I went straight into the analysis screen right after seeing this - because based on previous MLB the Show games that 15 HitChance cannot occur unless at least some part of the PCI was over the ball (and usually it has to be much nearer the center to get that). Something that was hidden from our view in that swing caused the high HitChance, because the swing display showed it was a clean miss on Perez's centered PCI. If his aim was truly centered I think that should have been a foul at best, and more likely a whiff. As it was the contact wasn't great, but it was enough to poke it into the outfield.

Hits like that are going to be rare, certainly, but this is a topic where I think it only takes one unexpected result to change the whole line of thinking. It was certainly a surprise to me.

[KBLover]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

Don't worry too much about what the hit looked like - that's not the focus here. There's a reason I went straight into the analysis screen right after seeing this - because based on previous MLB the Show games that 15 HitChance cannot occur unless at least some part of the PCI was over the ball (and usually it has to be much nearer the center to get that). Something that was hidden from our view in that swing caused the high HitChance, because the swing display showed it was a clean miss on Perez's centered PCI. If his aim was truly centered I think that should have been a foul at best, and more likely a whiff. As it was the contact wasn't great, but it was enough to poke it into the outfield.

Couldn't have been too bad...it was a 105 MPH hit. That's pretty clean contact right there. So, based on that, I think it was pretty well centered or near enough to where he got good wood on it.

My previous understanding is that timing/directional moves the PCI either straight on or some randomized direction if the batter didn't get direct contact. Then the size of the PCI helps determine if it's still in the hitter's coverage, determining solid contact chance.

I don't know what "interface" the CPU hitters are simulating but their PCI certainly is shown moving around.

Now it could be that it's just batter ratings vs pitcher ratings vs release vs timing vs location vs swing influence (if any). All of that rolled up gives a hit chance and/or a contact type chances (solid, pulled off, jammed, etc) and the PCI is not a factor at all in directional.

Hits like that are going to be rare

Maybe there's a Vlad Guerrero rating? That's pretty much in the zone for him

[Skyboxer]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

Past versions you got the visual (if you had it turned on) that showed where it moved.
However using Analog. the pci I moves correctly so I'm using that now as I like that visual.

[Speedy]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

The system is using a PCI under the hood and moves based on your timing and player attributes, it is just the visual feedback that is locked in the analysis screen.

Ohhhh....

Well if they're moving it behind the hood, why not move it visually for the user?

[nemesis04]

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Ohhhh....

Well if they're moving it behind the hood, why not move it visually for the user?

Because all people did was question its placement so I suggested to them to stop showing it. Blame me, ha!

[KBLover]

Re: Is Directional hitting working properly?

Because all people did was question its placement so I suggested to them to stop showing it. Blame me, ha!

*shakes fist*

NEMESIS!!!!!!