Re: Analog Pitching needs love. (Walks and stuff)
I used to play at 7 control, 10 consistency because I thought the way to "corral" Classic was to put those up to try to minimize the "meatball" pitches. Like you, I've played The Show more than this year - I didn't play every year you did, but I played 09 and then 12-16. Always on Classic pitching and All-Star for the most part (13 I tried HoF).
That did work and I did give up walks, mostly from trying to get them to chase and they don't, so I issue the walk.
But a lot of times, they didn't swing much at all until 2 strikes, and I wasn't giving up too many walks because I'm not a big "try to make them chase" pitcher. I want to hit the edges of the zone but rarely out of the zone entirely except on 0-2 and maybe 1-2 (especially since they didn't really chase much) so it was "I could throw that nasty pitch just off the black, but they won't swing because they are fooled too badly so they take and hope it's a ball...which is will be a lot of times".
With low control, it's like "hey that's coming down the middle!" and they gear up to swing, then the movement kicks in and it's "oh ****" and they flail at it, sometimes tipping it, sometimes missing badly and in different ways depending on how they got fooled (was it speed and they are way early/late? was it movement and their PCI's are way off? was it both?). Heck, sometimes they get hits and I can just
and say "that's baseball".
But if it is a hittable pitch, they will jump it more often than not with 0/0. When I was at 7/10, I didn't so much as "get away with" bad pitches, more like they didn't attack them enough. I guess on 0/0 I'm getting "real" fooled batters. They think they see one thing and the pitch does something else, and they commit and try to adjust and fight it off.
It could be the rest of my sliders for CPU hitting or it could be the character of the players in my primary franchise (it's in 2021, a carried over carryover), but it's there. I'm throwing more pitches than ever in outings because a lot of times they are foul foul foul foul foul because they are swinging more, and then if they don't swing, I'm missing more.
I did dabble with a Red Sox new franchise and was using Stephen Wright (which reminds me, need to edit his 79 MPH knuckleball down). It was so interesting to see this play out:
To start, he had them looking silly with his knuckler. But then...it starting staying too much in the zone. Suddenly that aggression gave them hits galore and they stopped chasing because he was in the zone so much so they started picking up on it and waiting.
So that set up a mess. I was getting them to chase, but then they stopped. Wright was missing more in the zone and the aggression had them jumping on 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 pitches. Suddenly he had 5 runs on him.
I never saw anything like this on higher control. I'd either move back in the zone and they'd keep watching or I stay out and rack up walks but hardly any hits. Now the stretches ebb and flow - sometimes they are aggressive, sometimes they lay back. Some guys will be all over everything, some guys pretend to be Adam Dunn.
Like I said, maybe there's other variables involved, but I never saw any of this until I tried 0/0 user pitching sliders.
I used to play at 7 control, 10 consistency because I thought the way to "corral" Classic was to put those up to try to minimize the "meatball" pitches. Like you, I've played The Show more than this year - I didn't play every year you did, but I played 09 and then 12-16. Always on Classic pitching and All-Star for the most part (13 I tried HoF).
That did work and I did give up walks, mostly from trying to get them to chase and they don't, so I issue the walk.
But a lot of times, they didn't swing much at all until 2 strikes, and I wasn't giving up too many walks because I'm not a big "try to make them chase" pitcher. I want to hit the edges of the zone but rarely out of the zone entirely except on 0-2 and maybe 1-2 (especially since they didn't really chase much) so it was "I could throw that nasty pitch just off the black, but they won't swing because they are fooled too badly so they take and hope it's a ball...which is will be a lot of times".
With low control, it's like "hey that's coming down the middle!" and they gear up to swing, then the movement kicks in and it's "oh ****" and they flail at it, sometimes tipping it, sometimes missing badly and in different ways depending on how they got fooled (was it speed and they are way early/late? was it movement and their PCI's are way off? was it both?). Heck, sometimes they get hits and I can just
and say "that's baseball".But if it is a hittable pitch, they will jump it more often than not with 0/0. When I was at 7/10, I didn't so much as "get away with" bad pitches, more like they didn't attack them enough. I guess on 0/0 I'm getting "real" fooled batters. They think they see one thing and the pitch does something else, and they commit and try to adjust and fight it off.
It could be the rest of my sliders for CPU hitting or it could be the character of the players in my primary franchise (it's in 2021, a carried over carryover), but it's there. I'm throwing more pitches than ever in outings because a lot of times they are foul foul foul foul foul because they are swinging more, and then if they don't swing, I'm missing more.
I did dabble with a Red Sox new franchise and was using Stephen Wright (which reminds me, need to edit his 79 MPH knuckleball down). It was so interesting to see this play out:
To start, he had them looking silly with his knuckler. But then...it starting staying too much in the zone. Suddenly that aggression gave them hits galore and they stopped chasing because he was in the zone so much so they started picking up on it and waiting.
So that set up a mess. I was getting them to chase, but then they stopped. Wright was missing more in the zone and the aggression had them jumping on 0-0, 0-1, 1-0 pitches. Suddenly he had 5 runs on him.
I never saw anything like this on higher control. I'd either move back in the zone and they'd keep watching or I stay out and rack up walks but hardly any hits. Now the stretches ebb and flow - sometimes they are aggressive, sometimes they lay back. Some guys will be all over everything, some guys pretend to be Adam Dunn.
Like I said, maybe there's other variables involved, but I never saw any of this until I tried 0/0 user pitching sliders.
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