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  • YanksRams38
    Rookie
    • Dec 2014
    • 46

    #1

    Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

    Reason I haven't gotten it yet is because of how much players would regress last year. I didn't mind it as much when old players regressed, but when Bryce Harper and Mike Trout become 75 overall around age 28-32 there is a problem.
  • YanksRams38
    Rookie
    • Dec 2014
    • 46

    #2
    Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

    ^^^^^^^^^^

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    • Ghost Of The Year
      Turn Left. Repeat.
      • Mar 2014
      • 6387

      #3
      Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

      Mind you, I've only done this one test run for Harper & Trout, but by age:
      Trout 28- OVRALL=99
      Trout 32- OVRALL=99
      At this point, Trout has 2074 hits, 399 HR's, & a career .312 BA & 229 SB, career WAR at this point 111.29 He even must have had an injury in 2019 as he only played 115 games. The Angels even won a couple WS with Trout.. Trout finally starts to slip at age 33 OVRALL 97

      Harper 28-OVRALL=94
      Harper 32-OVRALL=82 he was an 88 at age 31
      At this point Harper has 1982 hits, 344 HR's, & a career BA of .294 with a career WAR of 55.82 & no WS rings, At this point he is also a platoon player.

      Take it FWIW.
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      • tabarnes19_SDS
        Game Designer
        • Feb 2003
        • 3084

        #4
        Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

        Each Sim you run you will get different results. I posted in the franchise thread 3 different Sims and overalls of key players.

        Here is Harper retired. Crazy he retired

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        Last edited by tabarnes19_SDS; 04-26-2016, 07:02 PM.

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        • Cpre5
          Blowing bubbles
          • Jul 2002
          • 3100

          #5
          Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

          Played 1st season with the Giants, and most everyone went down 1-4 points in a few columns.
          One that bugged me the most was A.Pagan speed, even for his age. It started at 72 and near the end of the season it was 66.
          Just feel like it shouldn't drop that much in a season.

          So kinda mixed feelings on progression

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          • 24
            Forever A Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 2809

            #6
            Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

            Originally posted by tabarnes19
            Each Sim you run you will get different results. I posted in the franchise thread 3 different Sims and overalls of key players.

            Here is Harper retired. Crazy he retired

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            If I remember correctly, Didn't you say his contract was up in that Sim? Did he retire due to age or poor free agent market?


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            • tabarnes19_SDS
              Game Designer
              • Feb 2003
              • 3084

              #7
              Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

              Originally posted by 24
              If I remember correctly, Didn't you say his contract was up in that Sim? Did he retire due to age or poor free agent market?
              Age.

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              • YanksRams38
                Rookie
                • Dec 2014
                • 46

                #8
                Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                Alright thanks guys

                It's fine if they slip a little but an age 32 Harper should still be one of the best in the league

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                • KBLover
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 12172

                  #9
                  Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                  Originally posted by Cpre5
                  Played 1st season with the Giants, and most everyone went down 1-4 points in a few columns.
                  One that bugged me the most was A.Pagan speed, even for his age. It started at 72 and near the end of the season it was 66.
                  Just feel like it shouldn't drop that much in a season.

                  So kinda mixed feelings on progression

                  1 point a month on a 34-35 year old player? I'd be happy with that.
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                  • Unlucky 13
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1707

                    #10
                    Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                    After two months in my Cubs franchise, the older players are declining like crazy, regardless of performance, and it has me really worried. John Lackey and David Ross are close to 40, so I wasn't really shocked about that, though Lackey is pitching at an All Star level. Both are around -5 in most attributes.

                    However, 34 year old Ben Zobrist is doing great, and is -3 to -5 in almost every attribute as well. I guess I'll see if this continues, but if so, its a problem. That seems a bit too young to fall off a cliff with your skills when you're still putting up great numbers, and in June at that.

                    The other issue I'm having with regression is that every pitcher, regardless of age, usage, or stats, seems to be regressing slightly in stamina. Even Jake Arrieta, who leads the league in innings pitched, shutouts, and most everything else, is -1.
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                    • KBLover
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 12172

                      #11
                      Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                      Originally posted by Unlucky 13
                      However, 34 year old Ben Zobrist is doing great, and is -3 to -5 in almost every attribute as well. I guess I'll see if this continues, but if so, its a problem. That seems a bit too young to fall off a cliff with your skills when you're still putting up great numbers, and in June at that.

                      The other issue I'm having with regression is that every pitcher, regardless of age, usage, or stats, seems to be regressing slightly in stamina. Even Jake Arrieta, who leads the league in innings pitched, shutouts, and most everything else, is -1.

                      I'm seeing that in Stamina, too, in my Marlins franchise. Granted, this is insignificant, but Boeve's dropped from 98 to 96 in stamina. Doesn't really change anything, but it's there.

                      As far as when players drop - I don't know. 34 is not exactly "prime" and even then different players drop off at different times for different reasons irl. There's "tendency" like we know what a players "peak years" tend to be, but there's also the fact that each player is individual. Julio Franco didn't drop until about 44. Rick Ankiel was out of baseball at 33 and declining as a hitter at 29 and is only 36 irl. If a player dropped significantly at 29, people would say "it shouldn't happen". Tell that to Ankiel.

                      It would concern me as far as building my franchise, but as far as declining goes, I wouldn't be too surprised at a 34 year old falling off.
                      "Some people call it butterflies, but to him, it probably feels like pterodactyls in his stomach." --Plesac in MLB18

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                      • Finn
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 328

                        #12
                        Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                        I haven't noticed this year but last year I noticed SP stamina declining after Spring Training and I wasn't sure if it was caused by the fact that when simming your SP would only go 3 innings on purpose.

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                        • Number999
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 2102

                          #13
                          Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                          Originally posted by YanksRams38
                          Alright thanks guys

                          It's fine if they slip a little but an age 32 Harper should still be one of the best in the league
                          I'm not saying I disagree with you, but look at what happened to Albert Pujols in real life.

                          He was a 3x MVP by the age of 29 and just totally dominant. If the game simulated then said "Yo at age 33 Pujols is only gonna hit 17 homers and hit .258 that is some BS" people woulda agreed with it at the time.
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                          • Unlucky 13
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1707

                            #14
                            Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                            Originally posted by KBLover
                            As far as when players drop - I don't know. 34 is not exactly "prime" and even then different players drop off at different times for different reasons irl. There's "tendency" like we know what a players "peak years" tend to be, but there's also the fact that each player is individual. Julio Franco didn't drop until about 44. Rick Ankiel was out of baseball at 33 and declining as a hitter at 29 and is only 36 irl. If a player dropped significantly at 29, people would say "it shouldn't happen". Tell that to Ankiel.

                            It would concern me as far as building my franchise, but as far as declining goes, I wouldn't be too surprised at a 34 year old falling off.
                            I wouldn't think it was that big a deal if it had happened after the season, but on June 1, does this mean that he'll drop 12-15 points by season's end? I guess I'll find out.

                            I'm already noticing a drop in how effective Lackey is. It adds another layer of thoughtfulness and intrigue to the game, I guess. However, if this proves consistant, I may be prone to just totally avoid older players in the future.
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                            • tabarnes19_SDS
                              Game Designer
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 3084

                              #15
                              Re: Do players regress a lot in franchise again this year?

                              I don't even look at overall. I had Beltran as a 69 overall and he hit .290 18 Hrs for me.

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