Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

[sccavs64]

If this was already addressed in another thread, feel free to lock this, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

I noticed we aren't able to progress the Velocity, Break, and Stamina attributes for pitchers. Does anybody know if this is a bug that will be addressed in a patch, or if this just simply won't ever be possible in this game?

[paxon]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

It's by design to make progression more realistic. Speed (for all players) is another such attribute. Not sure if there are others.

[sccavs64]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

It's by design to make progression more realistic. Speed (for all players) is another such attribute. Not sure if there are others.

That's kinda what I thought was happening. I think stamina is something that should be able to be progressed, but the Velocity/Break I can see being locked. Thanks!

[KBLover]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

It's by design to make progression more realistic. Speed (for all players) is another such attribute. Not sure if there are others.

So using training for those areas is pointless? No use in doing Sprints, Physical Conditioning, or Bullpen Session?

I don't know if I'd agree that a pitcher can't get more movement or more consistent movement on a pitch. For some pitches, that's exactly how you improve them.

[sccavs64]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

So using training for those areas is pointless? No use in doing Sprints, Physical Conditioning, or Bullpen Session?

I don't know if I'd agree that a pitcher can't get more movement or more consistent movement on a pitch. For some pitches, that's exactly how you improve them.

Correct - I've tested this in multiple franchises, seems like it's impossible to get any increase (or decrease for that matter) in their Stamina, Velocity, Break, and running speed.

I agree, I think it's a dumb idea, but this is one of the few flaws I've found with this game and I'll take it. Not a game killer for me, although it is unfortunate.

[KBLover]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

Correct - I've tested this in multiple franchises, seems like it's impossible to get any increase (or decrease for that matter) in their Stamina, Velocity, Break, and running speed.

Wow...I wonder if that's actually intended. If it is...why did they leave them in the game??

[sccavs64]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

Wow...I wonder if that's actually intended. If it is...why did they leave them in the game??

Not sure! Was wondering the same thing which is why I posted it in here, wasn't sure if anybody heard rumblings of a fix coming for it in an upcoming patch or something. I'll go submit it as a bug and see what they say, but I really find it hard to believe that they built the game this way.

[Smallville102001]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

I don't like that velocity doesn't change because then that means some one is going to be throwing the same speed at like 40 as they did at 25 and that is not realistic. When players get older they should start to throw slower. Say a picture at 25 is throwing 93 by like 35 they most likely are going to be more like 90.

[sink4ever]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

I don't like that velocity doesn't change because then that means some one is going to be throwing the same speed at like 40 as they did at 25 and that is not realistic. When players get older they should start to throw slower. Say a picture at 25 is throwing 93 by like 35 they most likely are going to be more like 90.

I'm not sure anyone has confirmed that velocity doesn't regress, only that it doesn't progress.

[tessl]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

Correct - I've tested this in multiple franchises, seems like it's impossible to get any increase (or decrease for that matter) in their Stamina, Velocity, Break, and running speed.

I agree, I think it's a dumb idea, but this is one of the few flaws I've found with this game and I'll take it. Not a game killer for me, although it is unfortunate.

I didn't realize that, thanks for the information. I will pay close attention when drafting a starting pitcher to make sure his stamina is already high.

Stamina can be improved, it happens every year in spring training.

[sccavs64]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

I didn't realize that, thanks for the information. I will pay close attention when drafting a starting pitcher to make sure his stamina is already high.

Stamina can be improved, it happens every year in spring training.

Really? I've never seen that, but that's good to know. I never look at spring training I always just sim straight through it. So that narrows it down to just velocity, break, and speed that are locked.

[tessl]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

Really? I've never seen that, but that's good to know. I never look at spring training I always just sim straight through it. So that narrows it down to just velocity, break, and speed that are locked.

I was talking about IRL, not in the game. In isn't realistic to be unable to improve stamina. Speed and velocity are difficult to improve but stamina can be improved.

[sccavs64]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

I was talking about IRL, not in the game. In isn't realistic to be unable to improve stamina. Speed and velocity are difficult to improve but stamina can be improved.

Ah sorry, read your post wrong. Yeah I agree with you, Stamina should not be locked by any means.

Has anybody ever seen a pitcher's velocity/break improve? I'm not even seeing it at all, even when I specifically hire a pitching coach that is supposed to increase these attributes by one or 2 points. This is leading me to believe it's just a bug.

[Panopticism]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

I'll take this limitation over the previous years' tendency to have pitchers progress so that everyone's fastball gets harder while their changeups and their junk got slower and nastier. The speed gap between hard stuff and offspeed got out of hand and it was hilariously unrealistic. It's a limitation of the human arm.. they'd be exploding every night with that kind of speed differential.

And player speed being locked isn't that strange. Lots of players slow down and get smarter on the base paths with age, but gains in outright running speed are extremely rare.

[KBLover]

Re: Progressing Velocity/Break/Stamina for Pitchers

And player speed being locked isn't that strange. Lots of players slow down and get smarter on the base paths with age, but gains in outright running speed are extremely rare.

I think gains should be possible on young (under 21) players. After that level off quickly and be difficult to raise, moving towards pretty much impossible or incredibly rare. Holding on to speed would be more of an achievement after a certain age, which training could help (let it help slow/delay declines more than increase gains after a certain age).

It shouldn't be locked. Let what you said happen organically with allowing for variations on the theme.