Far Too Many Pop Ups on Pitches Up in the Zone

[BegBy]

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Is this on directional hitting?

Yes, sir. I truly struggle with hitting this year and it's legitimately not on me. Green pci, good timing = foul tip, pop up or directly into a glove. By directly I mean the defender does not have to move.

We're seeing more of these threads. I made one a couple of weeks ago and I thought I fixed it (magically) by uninstalling and reinstalling, but that lasted a few games. Dynamic difficulty knocks me down to beginner/rookie. It's absolutely no fun at all. Pitchers just throw meatballs all game and more often than not I still lose. I can't hit better because I literally can't do my part any better. They throw a pitch, I swing. I fail. I couldn't even strike out if I tried.


To the op - there's a few camps/opinions. There's us. There's what seems to be a growing number of people that think that hitting seems to be off this year. There's people that defend the game because it's The Show/baseball and it's realistic. Then there's the others'. They get hits. They use all skill levels, but all star and above primarily. They use the same sliders everyone else does. They strike out. They enjoy a game of baseball that is only afforded to people in this camp because they (get to) experience an entire other facet of the game, I am jealous of them. They are lucky people.

[countryboy]

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Yes, sir. I truly struggle with hitting this year and it's legitimately not on me. Green pci, good timing = foul tip, pop up or directly into a glove. By directly I mean the defender does not have to move.

We're seeing more of these threads. I made one a couple of weeks ago and I thought I fixed it (magically) by uninstalling and reinstalling, but that lasted a few games. Dynamic difficulty knocks me down to beginner/rookie. It's absolutely no fun at all. Pitchers just throw meatballs all game and more often than not I still lose. I can't hit better because I literally can't do my part any better. They throw a pitch, I swing. I fail. I couldn't even strike out if I tried.


To the op - there's a few camps/opinions. There's us. There's what seems to be a growing number of people that think that hitting seems to be off this year. There's people that defend the game because it's The Show/baseball and it's realistic. Then there's the others'. They get hits. They use all skill levels, but all star and above primarily. They use the same sliders everyone else does. They strike out. They enjoy a game of baseball that is only afforded to people in this camp because they (get to) experience an entire other facet of the game, I am jealous of them. They are lucky people.

Sorry...I don't use directional so I am unable to speak on it or offer advice.

[BegBy]

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Sorry...I don't use directional so I am unable to speak on it or offer advice.

It seems to be the culprit. Many people suggest switching to zone. I just won't. I think all ways of playing the game should be on a level playing field.

I use pulse pitching, which in my opinion is way too accurate. I will occasionally switch to classic and the difference is massive. Classic is a way more organic and natural looking/feeling pitching system. Pitches miss and when they do, you don't know that they will go right down the heart of the plate. They go all over the place. They even hit the backstop. It's glorious! However, I like the user input of pulse, so I just accept it for what it is.

It seems directional is the pulse of hitting. Zone guys preach about switching and how they had to, especially this year, because directional was arbitrary and produced a very neutered offense.

[KBLover]

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To the op - there's a few camps/opinions. There's us. There's what seems to be a growing number of people that think that hitting seems to be off this year. There's people that defend the game because it's The Show/baseball and it's realistic. Then there's the others'. They get hits. They use all skill levels, but all star and above primarily. They use the same sliders everyone else does. They strike out. They enjoy a game of baseball that is only afforded to people in this camp because they (get to) experience an entire other facet of the game, I am jealous of them. They are lucky people.

Then there's adjusting sliders to get the experience you want.

I raised contact, solid hits and I'm having a blast. (Better PCI placement, better trajectories) I only play Directional/Timing and Classic.

[Armor and Sword]

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I use directional/timed only. All-Star level.

Sitting at 5/5/5 default on contact/power/solid hits

3rd in the league in batting average thru 56 games in my Cardinals fantasy franchise.

If you raise contact to 6 you will see more hits no doubt. I have not changed my approach at the plate at all. I did have to get used to a new hitting view initially after the removal of the catcher zoom options. I use offset zoom (awesome hitting camera IMO) and like KB I am having a total blast hitting this year. Also pitch speed can help you hit better so play around with those sliders as well.

The usual weakness for me is GIDP......I lead the league every single solitary season year in year out with every iteration of The Show.....I have come to live with that. It's a pisser though. That is probably a side effect of where I like my base-runner speed to sit at. I can give that up for the far greater realism on balls that should never result in INF hits on slower guys, and also stolen bases being earned by less than elite/great speed ball players.

[BegBy]

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Then there's adjusting sliders to get the experience you want.

I raised contact, solid hits and I'm having a blast. (Better PCI placement, better trajectories) I only play Directional/Timing and Classic.

I've tried every slider combination possible. My issue with raising contact is you'll never strike out. That's crappy, at least in my opinion. Solid hits seems less important than contact or pitcher control. Just my opinion.

I'm with A&S with GiDP also. I think that could be a part of my hitting woes. When I do get a hit, it's almost guaranteed that I'll GiDP next ab. I lead the league like it's my exclusive goal.

Hybrid rosters have definitely helped gameplay for me though. I am getting more hits and more realistic hits, and I am also trying some slider suggestions given to me by WTNY and I think that I am seeing some improvement.

[Padgoi]

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I have tried multiple hitting settings and no matter what I use I am seeing far too many pop ups with good timing on pitches up in the zone. This was a problem last year and is becoming a game killer for me.

Is anyone else having this problem and, if so, what have you done to correct it? I would love to see the developers address this in a patch.

It was a problem last year. It's a problem this year. I use zone and see it all the time. There are far too many pop-ups in the game. Honestly, in real baseball, MAYBE there is one pop-out per game. Maybe. In the show, you can easily have 7-10 pop-outs in one game. Many of these pop-outs should be fouled back, but the game hasn't really gotten the whole concept of fouling pitches back right so they end up being weak pop-outs. It's something I've just learned to accept.

[KBLover]

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I've tried every slider combination possible. My issue with raising contact is you'll never strike out. That's crappy, at least in my opinion. Solid hits seems less important than contact or pitcher control. Just my opinion.

I'm on 8 and still strike out (sometimes looking, sometimes swinging, etc. No contact slider will make Chris Davis, Chris Carter, or Joey Gallo contact hitters...especially on Directional).

Solid hits is as important. It has a hand on determining batted ball trajectory and seems to have influence on batted ball velocity as well.

But, hey, just throwing it out there. Sorry if it's no help to you. I can only say what I'm using and what my stat tracking is showing me.

[WhiteBunny]

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Yep, probably there are too many pop-ups and flyballs. Here are some stats on my Franchise with Cubs, hope this can help ( sort of ).
Directional Hitting, All Star, 29 games ( 16-13 ).

Batting Average .240 ( 25th )
Runs 115 ( 15th )
Hits 239 ( 25th )
Doubles 45 ( 17h )
HR 43 ( 2th )
RBI 114 ( 13th )
Slugging Percentage 418 ( 10th )
Total Bases 415 ( 9th )

Shane Victorino .313
Kyris Bryant .308
Jason Heyward .308
Munenori Kawasaki .282
Anthony Rizzo .281
Dexter Fowler .253
Kyle Scwarber .250
Addison Russell .233
Jorge Soler .204
Ben Zobrist .194
David Ross .174
Miguel Montero .099


Soler, David Ross, Kawasaki are on bench and i often switch Victorino with Fowler.

[BegBy]

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I'm on 8 and still strike out (sometimes looking, sometimes swinging, etc. No contact slider will make Chris Davis, Chris Carter, or Joey Gallo contact hitters...especially on Directional).

Solid hits is as important. It has a hand on determining batted ball trajectory and seems to have influence on batted ball velocity as well.

But, hey, just throwing it out there. Sorry if it's no help to you. I can only say what I'm using and what my stat tracking is showing me.

It's a help, dude. Getting perspective from intelligent guys who are looking to make the game more realistic/fun is always welcomed by me.

I'll try a few new tweaks for a few days based on what you're saying and see how it plays out for me.

[Armor and Sword]

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Yeah...the pop outs can be excessive at times.....it's something that needs to be better tuned.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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I just want to add another piece to this general conversation.

Using zone hitting, I can swing on top of the ball, such that the ball is in the lower half of the PCI, and still get pop flys and fly balls. That to me is absurd because it means I, as the player, have almost zero influence over the outcome. Zone hitting essentially becomes timing hitting with extra difficulty for no extra benefit.

I'm exaggerating obviously but it annoys me greatly when in one game I can kill the ball, and get hits when I don't even manage to hit the ball with the PCI, and then get shutout going 3-20 on well timed, PCI centered at-bats. Its one thing to lose a game, its another entirely when I feel as if I could set the controller down and have better odds on the off chance I draw a walk for a run.

[BegBy]

Re: Far Too Many Pop Ups on Pitches Up in the Zone

I just want to add another piece to this general conversation.

Using zone hitting, I can swing on top of the ball, such that the ball is in the lower half of the PCI, and still get pop flys and fly balls. That to me is absurd because it means I, as the player, have almost zero influence over the outcome. Zone hitting essentially becomes timing hitting with extra difficulty for no extra benefit.

I'm exaggerating obviously but it annoys me greatly when in one game I can kill the ball, and get hits when I don't even manage to hit the ball with the PCI, and then get shutout going 3-20 on well timed, PCI centered at-bats. Its one thing to lose a game, its another entirely when I feel as if I could set the controller down and have better odds on the off chance I draw a walk for a run.

This rings a lot of truth.

I would prefer that hitting be less arbitrary. At least make it so that if I am squaring up good pitches I don't have a higher chance of some silly pop up than getting a legit hit. The cpu will hack at bad pitches and somehow scoop a ball into play for a hit. I'd kill kittens to do that. Not just because the cpu does it and I want it too. I want it because you see guys nearly every MLB game take a reaching whack at a pitch and it end up a nice little hit. Some guys can extend a bit over the plate, reaching, and crack a double with decent regularity.

[The Chef]

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Then there's adjusting sliders to get the experience you want.

I raised contact, solid hits and I'm having a blast. (Better PCI placement, better trajectories) I only play Directional/Timing and Classic.

What are your contact and solid hits sliders at?

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[KBLover]

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What are your contact and solid hits sliders at?

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My current hitting sliders: 8/3/5/10/7

All-Star Directional.

I count "pop-ups" as IFFB (some of what the game calls popups make it out to medium CF...I think those would be designated as "lazy fly balls").