There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

[forme95]

This year they did good with cutting down the CG issue from what I can tell. But its pointless if they still allow a RP with a stamina of 21, to pitch 2+ innings consistently. Even turning down RP Stamina, they still pitch multiple innings, and dont recover energy as they should. If they could fix it, or add a Slider, would be a big help and a more realistic feel.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

Yeah, I had an extra-inning affair against the Orioles recently & Darren O'Day came into pitch the 8th inning with a 24 Stamina rating & made it all the way into the 14th inning before Showalter finally pulled him. Thankfully, that has been the only extreme (over 2 innings) I have run across.

[nemesis04]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

Seems like it would be a bandaid. I Would prefer to see bullpen management rewritten to reflect specialty match ups, duration, number of appearances etc, which is reflective to what you see in the MLB.

[forme95]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

Seems like it would be a bandaid. I Would prefer to see bullpen management rewritten to reflect specialty match ups, duration, number of appearances etc, which is reflective to what you see in the MLB.

That ultimately would be the perfect fix if it could be written that way. I totally agree Nemesis.

[oldtimey]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

I have been happy in my franchise with both starters and relievers innings per start/relief appearance, but it took a lot of work with the ratings in the roster, sliders and pitching staff formation. I explained this in April in this thread, http://www.operationsports.com/forum...na-rating.html. It's a commitment to a lot of work, but it has worked out great for me. I'm really enjoying my franchise. Read the thread...might help. There is discussion involving relievers stamina ratings in the thread.

[KBLover]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

This year they did good with cutting down the CG issue from what I can tell. But its pointless if they still allow a RP with a stamina of 21, to pitch 2+ innings consistently. Even turning down RP Stamina, they still pitch multiple innings, and dont recover energy as they should. If they could fix it, or add a Slider, would be a big help and a more realistic feel.

I put manager hook at 10 and RP stamina at 3 and it seems to be at least lessened, including in sim games. Still happens now and then, both in sim and in "live" games, but it's tolerable for me and for such a quick change, I'll live with it.

I don't know, I never can get relievers to constantly go 2+ innings. If I stretch someone, he's usually tired during the second inning and he's wiped out for at least a day (tired as soon as he comes in).

The only guys that might could do that would be the ones with LR type stamina (relievers with 50-60+ stamina). Even then, they'd need some time off.

I threw 4 innings with a MR because no one else had stamina. He managed to do it, but if there was another game (Game 7 WS) he'd have like 0 stamina the next day (or week lol).

[scrubs70]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

I have found that the cpu will leave a RP in whom starts the 9th Inning whilst that game goes into extras. I have found that if your 4th MRP is labeled "SP" with a stamina of at least 65, you will see near perfect BP G/IP stats. Appearances overall are lower and you need to follow oldtimey's BP structure.

Also, I am taking Hybrid V-2 and editing pitcher's to achieve near perfect sim stats. I have a sim slider set and if anyone is interested, I will post a video here of sim stats so you can see the vast improvements for yourself.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

This year they did good with cutting down the CG issue from what I can tell. But its pointless if they still allow a RP with a stamina of 21, to pitch 2+ innings consistently. Even turning down RP Stamina, they still pitch multiple innings, and dont recover energy as they should. If they could fix it, or add a Slider, would be a big help and a more realistic feel.

Stanina is tied to pitch count. If a reliever gets out of an inning in 6-7 pitches, why can't he easily throw a 2nd inning?

If you push his pitch count up to 15-16 they should and do start to get tired. I will concede that the penalties to per9 ratings and boosts to contact and power should be larger when pitchers get tired, and out of energy

[underdog13]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

Stanina is tied to pitch count. If a reliever gets out of an inning in 6-7 pitches, why can't he easily throw a 2nd inning?

If you push his pitch count up to 15-16 they should and do start to get tired. I will concede that the penalties to per9 ratings and boosts to contact and power should be larger when pitchers get tired, and out of energy

Yeah its not like RP don't pitch two innings anymore. It happens

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[KBLover]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

If you push his pitch count up to 15-16 they should and do start to get tired. I will concede that the penalties to per9 ratings and boosts to contact and power should be larger when pitchers get tired, and out of energy

I agree that it's about pitch count, not innings. Innings are a byproduct, not the determination. 90 pitches could get you through a whole game, or 5 innings, depending on count per inning. It's no different for relievers.

Though, I don't like the concept of "pitcher is fine up to X pitches, but at X+1, he's nailed with penalties". That doesn't make realistic sense to me. At least have varying degrees of penalties at gradually lowering thresholds of remaining energy. Pitchers probably gradually lose their stuff/effectiveness. They don't go from 95 at pitch X to 90 at X+1 or suddenly start pitching like AA pitchers.

[underdog13]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

I agree that it's about pitch count, not innings. Innings are a byproduct, not the determination. 90 pitches could get you through a whole game, or 5 innings, depending on count per inning. It's no different for relievers.

Though, I don't like the concept of "pitcher is fine up to X pitches, but at X+1, he's nailed with penalties". That doesn't make realistic sense to me. At least have varying degrees of penalties at gradually lowering thresholds of remaining energy. Pitchers probably gradually lose their stuff/effectiveness. They don't go from 95 at pitch X to 90 at X+1 or suddenly start pitching like AA pitchers.

Isn't it gradual tho? I don't feel like the getting tired message does anything but a friendly reminder.

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[Smallville102001]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

I have thought about this. The way the CPU uses its bullpen is the biggest issue the game has. Bullpen guys are left in to long and not enough of left/ righty match ups. This wouldn't complete fix this but it would help. Right now you can change the hook slider once the CPU goes to the pen but you have to remember to do that in the first place.

[KBLover]

Re: There needs to be a RP Hook Slider added

Isn't it gradual tho? I don't feel like the getting tired message does anything but a friendly reminder.

I think that might just be the "penalty" not being severe OR the pitcher has the ratings/confidence to keep calm and carry on.

Or maybe it's my sliders but I have seen often pitchers start collapsing immediately upon being tired. It's so significant that I can say to myself "okay he's tired" and next pitch the "he's tired" warning pops up.

Only my MLB14 draftee-turned-Bob Gibson-reincarnation in my carryover seems immune...but his ratings are insane and since he usually does well, he's loaded with confidence overall and on each pitch. (Confidence + 90's galore) > Tired.

Guys more middle of the road and most relievers, it's often like a cliff, or a brick wall, in my experience. Chapman in my new MLB16 being the exception, and again, it's a guy with insane ratings.

Had a game earlier tonight with Buehrle - going fine, pitching like an on-point Buehrle does (few K's, few walks, no runs), then he got tired with 2 outs the inning and promptly gave up 5 runs.

Suddenly, all his pitches were going down/near the middle. No command despite high confidence from pitching well all game, etc.