MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

[Grinder12000]

top of the 8th I lead 1-0 2 outs opponents have a man on 1st

I bring in a lefty specialist

1st pitch is high - man on 1st tries to steal and is out inning over

Bottom of the 8th, 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd, pitcher up

I cannot pinch hit because he has not faced one batter yet
MLB Rule? or Bug #1

Bug #2 - So I try to bunt and he misses THREE times, count is 0-3
WELL - if I try to bunt again and it's a ball the game locks up as the pitcher is frozen and the game locks.

So I take 2 pitches and both are strikes - for some reason I have the pitcher swing away and he hits into a DP (My bad).

top of the 9th - Bug #3? I cannot put a new pitcher in against a lefty killer because my pitcher STILL has not seen one batter.

Final result

batter flies out to warning track and I win the game 2 batters later.

[p00p1]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

I also had an issue where I PH with Madison Bumgarner and he made the last out. I couldn't put in a new pitcher, cus they forced me to pitch to a batter in the next inning.

[countryboy]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

"Bug" #1 and #3 are MLB Rules. When a pitcher enters the game he must face at least one hitter before he can be subbed for.

I don't understand what you're asking on the second one.

[Steven78]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

I believe by catching the guy stealing/ending the inning, that counts as facing one batter and you should have been able to pinch hit for him.

[zippy2212]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

"Bug" #1 and #3 are MLB Rules. When a pitcher enters the game he must face at least one hitter before he can be subbed for.

I don't understand what you're asking on the second one.

This. These are MLB rules. The using a pitcher as a pinch hitter issue is a different story. IRL you wouldn't have to keep him in to pitch but in the game it must not recognize that he was used as a bench player and not a pitcher.

#2 if I'm reading correctly the pitcher should have struck out so that would be a bug.

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[Steven78]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

Looks like the game is wrong not allowing you to pinch hit for your pitcher AND not letting you take him out for the next inning.

So 1 and 3 are applied wrong in the game.

[woodjer]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

I'm far from a managerial expert but...

Depending on where your lineup was, you probably could (should?) have made a double-switch to avoid having to hit with your P. Granted, you probably didn't plan on it playing out the way that it did and you wouldn't want to do it with your best player but, if I'm doing the math right and not missing a details somewhere, you probably would have been swapping out the #6 spot in your lineup which probably isn't too bad. Someone with a better grasp, please let me know if I'm right here. Probably a little more of a gray area but that's my "hindsight is 20/20" take on the situation.

I also don't understand point 2 but countryboy is right that 1 & 3 are rules. Because the runner got caught stealing, there was never an official plate appearance by the batter in that inning. That's why the same batter leads off the next inning. Unless I'm mistaken, he starts back at a 0-0 count so the pitch(es) that you threw to him before didn't count. In other words, he hadn't officially faced a batter yet.

[Steven78]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

Your mistaken. By ending the inning that counts as one batter.


The starting pitcher or substitute pitcher must
1. Pitch to one batter (one at bat); or
2. the third out is made; or
3. the pitcher is injured, ill, or ejected

MLB rule 3.05

[redsox4evur]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

Your mistaken. By ending the inning that counts as one batter.

But is it really though? Because that same batter should be leading off the next inning.


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[Steven78]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

But is it really though? Because that same batter should be leading off the next inning.


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(b) If the pitcher is replaced, the substitute pitcher shall pitch to the batter then at bat, or any substitute batter, until such batter is put out or reaches first base, or until the offensive team is put out, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness which, in the umpire-in-chief’s judgment, incapacitates him for further play as a pitcher.

[redsox4evur]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

Read above rule.

I hadn't seen your edit.


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[woodjer]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

Your mistaken. By ending the inning that counts as one batter.

By these definitions, the pitcher didn't face a batter though because the batter didn't complete a plate appearance.

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/batters-faced

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/plate-appearance

HOWEVER...

I found this in the official rulebook under rule 5.10 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y20...all_rules.pdf) (emphasis added by me):
(g) (3.05(b)) If the pitcher is replaced, the substitute pitcher shall
pitch to the batter then at bat, or any substitute batter, until such
batter is put out or reaches first base, <b>or until the offensive team
is put out</b>, unless the substitute pitcher sustains injury or illness
which, in the umpire-in-chief’s judgment, incapacitates him for
further play as a pitcher

So...I think Steven is correct in saying that you should have been able to pinch hit because the offensive team was put out. Whether it "counts as a batter" doesn't really matter but I would say that, by definition, the pitcher had 0 batters faced.

My verdict, for whatever it's worth...it's an incomplete application of the rules. Not really a "bug" because it's likely functioning as intended, since the message did say that the pitcher hadn't faced a batter which I believe is technically true. But the official rules seem to indicate that, once the inning ended, you should have been able to legally sub for him.

EDIT: ...and we were on the same page. You were just less wordy. I stand by my judgement that it's not a bug though...

[KBLover]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

"Bug" #1 and #3 are MLB Rules. When a pitcher enters the game he must face at least one hitter before he can be subbed for.

One is a bug in it's implementation.

Steven78 already explained why with the official rule.

The game assumes "one batter faced" = "one finished PA" in all situations, ignoring the case of the offense making the 3rd out in other situations ("the offensive team is put out").

[countryboy]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

One is a bug in it's implementation.

Steven78 already explained why with the official rule.

The game assumes "one batter faced" = "one finished PA" in all situations, ignoring the case of the offense making the 3rd out in other situations ("the offensive team is put out").

Yeah I read what Steven wrote....thanks though

[woodjer]

re: MLB Rule? or THREE bugs in one inning

One is a bug in it's implementation.

Steven78 already explained why with the official rule.

The game assumes "one batter faced" = "one finished PA" in all situations, ignoring the case of the offense making the 3rd out in other situations ("the offensive team is put out").

The game is correct in that definition though (see the links in my last post). The pitcher did NOT record a batter faced because the batter did not complete his turn batting...thus, he leads off the next inning. The offense making a 3rd out doesn't complete the PA but is an extra stipulation on the substitution rule.

And while I'm getting technical, a "bug" in software terms indicates that something is not functioning as intended. In this case, it seems to be working as programmed based on the message it displayed but the full rule wasn't properly programmed. Or so it appears.