SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

[elbomberoloco]

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I've seen this a lot and it always reads weirdly to me. "If I was exploiting, wouldn't I have done it for more?!" sounds like some odd justification.

Not saying they did or didn't exploit because I'm not in position to make that call, just saying it's not exactly a defense I'd use to prove my innocence.

So when the player unlock glitch happened you think people only took one guy, so Sony wouldn't notice, or took them all...I would venture to say the data would support the "thieves" took all the players they could.

[oski96]

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While I enjoy your condescending tone, all 'evidence' produced so far by the banned is circumstantial at best (including your but but but guys can make so much more stubs doing something else!!!!!! argument) and a distraction at worst. For one, you're still relying on firsthand testimony of the banned to make your entire case...what if they actually got more stubs for it than they're letting on? There's no way for you to know that or not outside of what you got or didn't get personally.

You want to believe all these stories because you feel it helps advance your case that SDS is in error here and you, therefore, will be reinstated. Maybe you will be and maybe SDS is wrong, but go ahead and hang out here yelling your arguments into the void until you either get vindicated or don't, by all means.

... and by that same token, you don't have any information other than vague statements from SDS. If you are willing to share with all of us SDS' methodology of "sweeping up the cheaters" we would be very thankful - because that is what we've been asking from SDS all week.

But, I guess you know something we all don't which allows you to smugly dismiss the many, many people (who even go through the trouble of setting up pod casts and blogs, etc. to explain there must be an error) who believe there may have been a mistake.

So, by all means, go ahead and join the herd, parading your apparent superiority over all those that claim to have been victimized by an overzealous and inaccurate banhammer - taking this position must make you feel good because as you say, "there is no way to know that or not outside of your own personal knowledge."

Taken to its conclusion, you say the only way to know is to rely on your personal knowledge; by your admission, you have no personal knowledge, but you shoot down those here that are sharing what they claim is their own personal knowledge. That is the definition of "close minded."

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Right now with Sony's silence and the lack of the web page still not supporting transactions not sure it's looking to good for Sony.

I will agree with you that the timing of their lack of communication is worth a raising of an eyebrow at this point. I'll stop short of spinning this coincidence into an admission of guilt and them being absolutely wrong, but this is becoming a delicious mystery and it will be interesting to see where it goes. I hope that the mystery is solved at some point in a fair and transparent way; I think everyone can agree on that point. Further I hope that cheaters stay banned permanently and that any innocents get reinstated soon and get 40 packs and a virtual mule for their trouble.

[oski96]

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I will agree with you that the timing of their lack of communication is worth a raising of an eyebrow at this point. I'll stop short of spinning this coincidence into an admission of guilt and them being absolutely wrong, but this is becoming a delicious mystery and it will be interesting to see where it goes. I hope that the mystery is solved at some point in a fair and transparent way; I think everyone can agree on that point. Further I hope that cheaters stay banned permanently and that any innocents get reinstated soon and get 40 packs and a virtual mule for their trouble.

I agree with this. I am very certain that if the actual transactions histories are analyzed, it will be fairly easy to differentiate an accidental use of the glitch and an intentional one - the transactions in question will look very different for each of these groups.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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... and by that same token, you don't have any information other than vague statements from SDS. If you are willing to share with all of us SDS' methodology of "sweeping up the cheaters" we would be very thankful - because that is what we've been asking from SDS all week.

But, I guess you know something we all don't which allows you to smugly dismiss the many, many people (who even go through the trouble of setting up pod casts and blogs, etc. to explain there must be an error) who believe there may have been a mistake.

So, by all means, go ahead and join the heard, parading your apparent superiority over all those that claim to have been victimized by an overzealous and inaccurate banhammer - taking this position must make you feel good because as you say, "there is no way to know that or not outside of your own personal knowledge."

Taken to its conclusion, you say the only way to know is to rely on your personal knowledge; by your admission, you have no personal knowledge, but you shoot down those here that are sharing what they claim is their own personal knowledge. That is the definition of "close minded."

I have no knowledge of their methods for catching cheaters at all. In that sense I am relying on motive...or, rather, what does SDS gain by banning loyal, paying customers capriciously? I think the answer to that question...nothing...makes it pretty clear they wouldn't invest the time and headache in instituting these bans without a good reason.

Now, what's open to debate here is whether some or all people have been unfairly banned and there's really no way for any of us to tell right now. All I have been saying is all these statements, podcasts, etc from the banned aren't really strong evidence given the bias from where they originate. It's like asking Anheuser Busch if beer should be banned or not....of course they are going to say no and produce "evidence" for why it shouldn't be. Nothing said or speculated on out there really holds any water whatsoever, imo, if you have any reasonably unbiased standard of evidence.

See, I don't have a horse in this race at all. Nobody is out to get you...except if SDS actually is, I guess. I just have become interested in the mystery surrounding this issue and it being solved at some point. Nothing more, nothing less.

[elbomberoloco]

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See, I don't have a horse in this race at all. Nobody is out to get you...except if SDS actually is, I guess. I just have become interested in the mystery surrounding this issue and it being solved at some point. Nothing more, nothing less.

I would think we all have a little horse in the race here. What if tomorrow you account is baned with no explanation? Please don't come back with, "oh I don't cheat not concern for me...", because cheating has not clearly been defined here. In today's information age people really want transparency, which would be really easy here. Sony could release a statement that x amount of users did some certain action and exploited x,xxx,xxx amount of tokens. Instead they have put an unknown amount of bands, maybe in the thousands, with no specific data, just unofficial tweets, not even on the official page, stating we got you stealing 42 times for 3 million. Ramona might as well state we saw you turned the game on got you...Sony needs an official press release not a generic corporate America BS statement. Then the most troubling fact in my mind is, Sony states they fixed the problem but you can't use the feature (web page transactions) they fixed ? As a consumer it makes me hesitant to want to do business with this company, and I really enjoy the game. This game has really been plagued from day 1 with each issue being worse and the marketing/ PR handling each error worse than the last...

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I would think we all have a little horse in the race here. What if tomorrow you account is baned with no explanation? Please don't come back with, "oh I don't cheat not concern for me...", because cheating has not clearly been defined here. In today's information age people really want transparency, which would be really easy here. Sony could release a statement that x amount of users did some certain action and exploited x,xxx,xxx amount of tokens. Instead they have put an unknown amount of bands, maybe in the thousands, with no specific data, just unofficial tweets, not even on the official page, stating we got you stealing 42 times for 3 million. Ramona might as well state we saw you turned the game on got you...Sony needs an official press release not a generic corporate America BS statement. Then the most troubling fact in my mind is, Sony states they fixed the problem but you can't use the feature (web page transactions) they fixed ? As a consumer it makes me hesitant to want to do business with this company, and I really enjoy the game. This game has really been plagued from day 1 with each issue being worse and the marketing/ PR handling each error worse than the last...

I don't play online and I already have all the rosters I need, so your hypothetical actually wouldn't affect me at all. Hence, me not having a horse in the race still...

[baseballsim]

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My understanding is some who didn't play online at all also got banned.

[elbomberoloco]

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I don't play online and I already have all the rosters I need, so your hypothetical actually wouldn't affect me at all. Hence, me not having a horse in the race still...

you are letting your self defined moral compass pull you in the weeds, get off the who is right and who is wrong here. The man is suppressing someone next time it could be you, as consumers everyone should come together and expect more transparency and corporate responsibility than is being shown. They do have a monopoly on the market after all...

[KBLover]

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I would think we all have a little horse in the race here. What if tomorrow you account is baned with no explanation? Please don't come back with, "oh I don't cheat not concern for me...", because cheating has not clearly been defined here.

Well, if they start banning offline franchise players (for...what? Because they can?), then, yeah, I'll just move on to OOTP (if The Show is a monopoly...does that mean OOTP is not a baseball video game?)

Or go back to playing MVP 05 or figure out how to get BBPro '98 working. Or that might be the final push I need to play PYS or Jikkyou (more baseball console video games).

I'll live and find my baseball video game fix if I have to play Baseball Stars with "modified" ratings.

[KBLover]

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I agree with this. I am very certain that if the actual transactions histories are analyzed, it will be fairly easy to differentiate an accidental use of the glitch and an intentional one - the transactions in question will look very different for each of these groups.

Which makes you wonder why they either didn't do that in the first place (analyze the user "fingerprints", so to speak), or if they did...why did they catch innocents in the first place?

I know in mobile games when stuff like this comes up, they have logs of what the players did so they can "trace the clues" and see what happened. I remember asking support of a Japanese app game (no I don't know Japanese - they understood the google translated message evidently and I used that to translate their response), and they were able to tell me exactly what I was doing, when I did it, and if the result was intended or if I got a bug.

I would imagine SDS could do the same thing, but I guess not?

[dickey1331]

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Good grief this is getting interesting. Good thing I'm an offline only player.

[Steven78]

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Good grief this is getting interesting. Good thing I'm an offline only player.

Craziness.

I play online only but don't touch the DD stuff.

[TheBigTee]

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I can understand people's frustration here. When I first read about these bans I was at work thinking "I hope I didn't get banned." I had not done anything against the rules but from reading these threads it appears others were not aware if they were doing something against the rules either. I have flipped cards and I have used the website so I thought it was possible I could have been banned. But fortunately I was not and don't have to deal with what some of our peers are dealing with.

The show is literally the only reason I owned a PS3 and now the only reason I own a ps4. I would be very disappointed if I were unfairly banned from playing my favorite game and a game I support annually. I just think we should not rush to judge anybody, put ourselves in their shoes, and see where this goes before casting any aspersions.


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[HeavySaucer]

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I'm listening to Pitching Rebel's segment of the Ban Tapes now. I don't know how many stubs he is accused of gaining from the exploit, but the information he provides is somewhat vague. How many of the transactions were closer to 8,200? If 20 were for 8,000 that's 160,000. That's not chump change to me.

Now if I would do an exploit like this, I would spread out the transactions. Make a couple of small bids so later I could say 'why would I even do that?' I would think that the huge transactions would be an instant red flag. Instead, I would flood these bogus transactions with thousands of legit ones, using both the console market and the mobile market equally. Make it look like an accident, as they say. And if you ever do get caught, you'll probably get away with a slap on the wrist.

But I would never do something like that.

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