Some MLB The Show 16 Bans Are Being Lifted, Details Here

[kehlis]

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You don't understand what I'm saying at all. Did you even read my post?

To be fair it doesn't seem highly likely that in the 24 hours since you've joined you've both snapped the disk and then went out and bought a new copy.

[countryboy]

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Another classic thread in the making....let's watch..

[WaitTilNextYear]

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That's Ramone's personal Twitter. If people want to seek him out in a public way, he can respond however he wants in a public way. It's not like he was tweeting from The Show official account calling people out. That would be unprofessional.

Just because we have unprecedented ways to access people through personal channels doesn't mean that relationship is there magically.

Not necessarily. Employees who are public figures (Ramone is pretty public and The Show community is very familiar with him given he is the community liason/manager) can even get fired for what they say on their own Twitter accounts. Ramone was handling company business on his own account--he doesn't have immunity to say whatever he wants there and I'll bet someone told him to chill since his account went quiet for a bit as SDS was getting ready to backtrack. Sometimes, Ramone posts the same Tweets from his personal account and the MLB_The_Show account so the lines are also very blurry.

I'll stop short of saying it was unprofessional given the nature of the toxic waste Tweets he was getting from some exceptionally crappy people (note how everyone who wants to blame SDS for this whole thing skip over all the hateful Tweets some sent in). Not everyone resorts to hate speech when video gaming doesn't go their way and there really is no excusing some of those comments that were made to Ramone.

My Ban was lifted. Jaytal6 PS3. Banned, not suspended. They describe it as a suspension in the explanation to the community, but on my console and on Twitter, it was an irreversible ban. I got rid of my game because I had enough of them and figured I was permanently banned. After the ban was reversed, I needed to get another game disk. They never responded to my emails, twitter, and banned me from the forum so I couldn't interact with them there. I don't think it's unreasonable that they compensate me for the cost of a game disk. If they had said that my account was being suspended pending an investigation into my market activity, I would have waited for the process to complete. All indications were that I was not coming back.

Congrats on your unbanning, but getting rid of your disc so soon was just not a great decision. PermaBan or not, it doesn't seem wise given that an investigation was playing out and especially if you thought you were innocent all along, you know??? I mean if you knew for a fact you were innocent, then it was only a matter of time before you were reinstated.

I think it's unreasonable for you to ask for a new disc because you're basically saying any snap decision you make about the game is their fault. What if I get mad about a glitch in the game and snap my disc; is that Sony's fault also? Or is it my fault for being over-emotional?

As a practical matter, they wouldn't be able to know for sure if you still had your disc or not and you were just trying to get a freebie anyway.

[oski96]

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I think it's unreasonable for you to ask for a new disc because you're basically saying any snap decision you make about the game is their fault. What if I get mad about a glitch in the game and snap my disc; is that Sony's fault also? Or is it my fault for being over-emotional?

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It looks like SDS was the one making the "snap decisions" here.

[Heroesandvillains]

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Not necessarily. Employees who are public figures (Ramone is pretty public and The Show community is very familiar with him given he is the community liason/manager) can even get fired for what they say on their own Twitter accounts. Ramone was handling company business on his own account--he doesn't have immunity to say whatever he wants there and I'll bet someone told him to chill since his account went quiet for a bit as SDS was getting ready to backtrack. Sometimes, Ramone posts the same Tweets from his personal account and the MLB_The_Show account so the lines are also very blurry.

I'll stop short of saying it was unprofessional given the nature of the toxic waste Tweets he was getting from some exceptionally crappy people (note how everyone who wants to blame SDS for this whole thing skip over all the hateful Tweets some sent in). Not everyone resorts to hate speech when video gaming doesn't go their way and there really is no excusing some of those comments that were made to Ramone.



Congrats on your unbanning, but getting rid of your disc so soon was just not a great decision. PermaBan or not, it doesn't seem wise given that an investigation was playing out and especially if you thought you were innocent all along, you know??? I mean if you knew for a fact you were innocent, then it was only a matter of time before you were reinstated.

I think it's unreasonable for you to ask for a new disc because you're basically saying any snap decision you make about the game is their fault. What if I get mad about a glitch in the game and snap my disc; is that Sony's fault also? Or is it my fault for being over-emotional?

As a practical matter, they wouldn't be able to know for sure if you still had your disc or not and you were just trying to get a freebie anyway.

When a community manager and developer publicly states that bans would be irreversible, and the user doesn't get a response when communicating through official channels, how can anyone have reasonably assumed they should have held onto a depreciating asset while hoping for something to occur they were explicitly told would not occur?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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It looks like SDS was the one making the "snap decisions" here.

You're not wrong, but that doesn't make it ok for you as a user to just do whatever and expect them to compensate you for whatever you did. Compensation for time lost grinding for stubs is one thing, but replacing things they didn't force you to get rid of is quite another.

I mean what innocent gamer would get rid of their game right away if they still wanted to play it? I could understand getting rid of the disc on principle or to protest, but you can't expect to gain compensation afterward.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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When a community manager and developer publicly states that bans would be irreversible, and the user doesn't get a response when communicating through official channels, how can anyone have reasonably assumed they should have held onto a depreciating asset while hoping for something to occur they were explicitly told would not occur?

The key piece here is that if the guy was innocent, he would've known for sure that he was innocent. Getting a response and getting unbanned would only be a matter of how long it would take. And that's exactly how it happened. It only took a handful of days.

No one in their right mind would take even Ramone's word as gospel for a crime they knew they did not commit. If the guy wanted to keep playing and knew he was innocent, selling the disc makes no sense at all...unless he was scheming to the incredible degree of turning a small profit on his current disc with the hope he would get a new copy as compensation. I don't consider this scenario at all likely. More likely, the guy just got really emotional and zigged when he could've zagged.

[Heroesandvillains]

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I don't disagree that selling the game as fast as he did was maybe a little too fast compared to what I would have personally done. We're on the same page there. But when you ask "what innocent gamer would get rid of their game right away," well, apparently, the answer is that guy!

I personally don't feel he should be monetarily compensated (you don't really own games anymore these days. Just a right to play them and abide by the TOS). But I don't begrudge him for selling the game and now feeling a little ticked he was unbanned, considering all bans were supposedly irreversible.

Man, I've been away from The Show for awhile. This game was always pretty controversy free! What a mess!

[19]

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Looks like they unbanned everyone of the 200.

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[Jaytal6]

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Not necessarily. Employees who are public figures (Ramone is pretty public and The Show community is very familiar with him given he is the community liason/manager) can even get fired for what they say on their own Twitter accounts. Ramone was handling company business on his own account--he doesn't have immunity to say whatever he wants there and I'll bet someone told him to chill since his account went quiet for a bit as SDS was getting ready to backtrack. Sometimes, Ramone posts the same Tweets from his personal account and the MLB_The_Show account so the lines are also very blurry.

I'll stop short of saying it was unprofessional given the nature of the toxic waste Tweets he was getting from some exceptionally crappy people (note how everyone who wants to blame SDS for this whole thing skip over all the hateful Tweets some sent in). Not everyone resorts to hate speech when video gaming doesn't go their way and there really is no excusing some of those comments that were made to Ramone.



Congrats on your unbanning, but getting rid of your disc so soon was just not a great decision. PermaBan or not, it doesn't seem wise given that an investigation was playing out and especially if you thought you were innocent all along, you know??? I mean if you knew for a fact you were innocent, then it was only a matter of time before you were reinstated.

I think it's unreasonable for you to ask for a new disc because you're basically saying any snap decision you make about the game is their fault. What if I get mad about a glitch in the game and snap my disc; is that Sony's fault also? Or is it my fault for being over-emotional?

As a practical matter, they wouldn't be able to know for sure if you still had your disc or not and you were just trying to get a freebie anyway.

There was NO investigation at that time at all. It wasn't a snap decision. I don't expect compensation for a new disk. Being innocent is no assurance of being reinstated. It's like you guys are starting to make crap up, as if it was fact. Like it was always the plan to unbanned everybody. And over emotional? Are you serious?

[Jaytal6]

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The key piece here is that if the guy was innocent, he would've known for sure that he was innocent. Getting a response and getting unbanned would only be a matter of how long it would take. And that's exactly how it happened. It only took a handful of days.

No one in their right mind would take even Ramone's word as gospel for a crime they knew they did not commit. If the guy wanted to keep playing and knew he was innocent, selling the disc makes no sense at all...unless he was scheming to the incredible degree of turning a small profit on his current disc with the hope he would get a new copy as compensation. I don't consider this scenario at all likely. More likely, the guy just got really emotional and zigged when he could've zagged.

Wow, you're right. God, you nailed me. I thought I was going to get away with it too. I severely underestimated you guys. My bad.

[countryboy]

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Glad to see that SDS is reinstating those accounts who weren't too erroneous in their actions.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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There was NO investigation at that time at all. It wasn't a snap decision. I don't expect compensation for a new disk. Being innocent is no assurance of being reinstated. It's like you guys are starting to make crap up, as if it was fact. Like it was always the plan to unbanned everybody. And over emotional? Are you serious?

Let me handle some of these one at a time...

1. There certainly was an investigation going on; it was just flawed in the results. Perhaps there weren't many public details given about the investigation, but it was certainly happening. And then again when they issued a tweet about looking into the matter further. Once they figured out their investigation was erroneous and kept investigating, things started to get cleared up and a public statement was made. They are probably still investigating so they don't get so much egg on their face next time. A company doesn't make light of banning some of its highest spending members and then having to un-ban some/all of them.

2. It was a snap decision in the sense that people were getting bothered that their email queries weren't being replied to on the very same day this issue broke. What is the normal turnaround time for an email response from a business in times of high volume? In my experience, I rarely ever get a response from a business on the same day I email them unless I am offering to buy something, lol. The fact that it was 6 hours or 12 hours later and still no reply, people were making it seem more like a month. Even if you considered your decision impeccably and fully, the outcome didn't turn out all that well seeing the situation you're in now with wanting to play the game and not having it anymore.

3. It was your own post about it not being unreasonable for you to get a new disc as compensation that started this conversation, so that's sort of where this whole discussion started--with you strongly suggesting that you deserved a new disc for your troubles. And now you say that you're not actually seeking a new disc out?

4. Dead serious. A lot of you guys took the bans as an assault on your character and moral fiber (rightly or wrongly) and went on 1500 word missives on OS/Twitter/etc. I would say that's textbook over-emotional. I'm not saying I would've reacted any differently, I am just saying that it was a very emotional reaction that many of you guys had. I don't think that's really up for debate; the emotion and outrage was really, really obvious to everybody.

Wow, you're right. God, you nailed me. I thought I was going to get away with it too. I severely underestimated you guys. My bad.

If you had read my full post, you would've seen where I discounted that conspiracy in favor of you getting rid of the game as a decision in the moment.

[Factzzz]

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Man reading all those posts in the other thread from people claiming with such conviction that the banned were guilty and deserved of the banning is straight comedy now that the bans have been lifted.

That's why you should never really speak on something when you don't know all of the details. Today's a good day for those wrongly accused, and they get to enjoy the one of the best video games on the market again.

[oski96]

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You're not wrong, but that doesn't make it ok for you as a user to just do whatever and expect them to compensate you for whatever you did. Compensation for time lost grinding for stubs is one thing, but replacing things they didn't force you to get rid of is quite another.

I mean what innocent gamer would get rid of their game right away if they still wanted to play it? I could understand getting rid of the disc on principle or to protest, but you can't expect to gain compensation afterward.

I don't disagree with that. However, you are also addressing a pretty unusual situation and applying standards of rational behavior which probably do not apply in this case.

This is really an outlier - If you have seen this happen anywhere before, I'd like to know about it. SDS simply banned a bunch of accounts, refused to provide and straight-forward information, stated the bans were "irreversible" and finally after 4 days, just simply lifted most of the bans.

I have a hard time sympathising with the company that actually causes this whole mess and would expect them to at least extend an offer to help clean up the mess - especially towards those that were unfairly treated.

Again, if this was handled with some tact, maybe there would not be the same problems - but here, you basically had SDS go quite while Ramone taunted and publicly embarrassed those asking for information. To my knowledge, those people Ramone "beat down" (as referenced in a news article about the bannings) were all innocent and had their accounts reinstated.

If I'm SDS, I'm sending this gentleman a new copy - and happily so. I'd be grateful that this person still wants to play the game.