4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

[yount19]

I love the Show but on thing that has frustrated me to the point of ignoring the game for extended periods of time is when a 4-seam fastball moves like an explosive cutter or slider. This is especially troublesome when you are facing a pitcher that has neither a cutter or a slider in their repertoire... so why would you even look for a pitch that they do not have!?

This has been an issue for me over the last three iterations of the Show...

Has anyone else noticed this at all?

[countryboy]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

I haven't noticed a 4-seam fastball behaving like a cutter or slider. I've seen movement, but nothing like a slider or cutter.

[yount19]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

It must just be my perception then...

[dalger21]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

It must just be my perception then...

What's the camera angle you play on? Maybe that's why it seems to cut for you. I don't notice any cutting/sliding with a 4-seamer. It's pretty straight. 2-seamers have some action on them. Perhaps that?

[KBLover]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

IRL, 4-seam fastballs have some action on them. They are not literally straight.

You can check out some pitch f/x graphs/plots to see.

The pitcher needs a high movement rating in the pitch to really see it. When I use Hector Neris in one of my franchises (80's movement rating), I can clearly see the movement.

So the fact they have some movement on them is good. Shouldn't be as much as a slider but a cutter, I could see, especially from high movement pitchers.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

This has been an issue for me over the last three iterations of the Show...

It'll be a little extra work on your part, but have you tried lowering the break/movement slider all the way to zero for pitchers you are going to face that throw the 4 seamer? Even then, you may see a little bit of cut/slide, but that should be very minimal.
Maybe you are blessed with very good eyesight, which in this case it may be viewed as a curse

[BA2929]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

IRL, 4-seam fastballs have some action on them. They are not literally straight.

You can check out some pitch f/x graphs/plots to see.

The pitcher needs a high movement rating in the pitch to really see it. When I use Hector Neris in one of my franchises (80's movement rating), I can clearly see the movement.

So the fact they have some movement on them is good. Shouldn't be as much as a slider but a cutter, I could see, especially from high movement pitchers.

This is exactly right. The pitchers who have a 4-seamer that go straight are either guys that throw 100+ and can get away with it, or guys that aren't playing professional baseball.

[underdog13]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

Don't 4sfb move arm side like 2sfb just not as drastically?

[KBLover]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

Don't 4sfb move arm side like 2sfb just not as drastically?

Pretty much.

As much as a cutter (distance, not direction), definitely not unusual. The ones with high movement might actually match 2SFB horiz movement, just without the sinking action.

Edit: Maybe as much as a slider after all. Check out Chris Sale:

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.p...ate=07/15/2016

[BA2929]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

Don't 4sfb move arm side like 2sfb just not as drastically?

Just so everyone understands: It's called a 4-seam/2-seam/cutter because of the grip. Honestly has nothing to do with movement.

A 4-seam from one guy can move more than another guys cutter or 2-seamer. Really just depends on the release point more than anything.

For example: A guy who throws 3/4's 4-seam is going to break a lot more than the 4-seam from a guy who throws 100% over the top.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

Just so everyone understands: It's called a 4-seam/2-seam/cutter because of the grip. Honestly has nothing to do with movement.

A 4-seam from one guy can move more than another guys cutter or 2-seamer. Really just depends on the release point more than anything.

For example: A guy who throws 3/4's 4-seam is going to break a lot more than the 4-seam from a guy who throws 100% over the top.

I thought a cutter (& even a running FB) & 2seamer (sinker?) had definite more noticeable movement than a 4seamer,
if not IRL then at least the Show's version of it.
Maybe I'm mistaken as my eyesight ain't what it used to be

[KBLover]

Re: 4 seam fastball = cutter/slider?

I thought a cutter (& even a running FB) & 2seamer (sinker?) had definite more noticeable movement than a 4seamer,
if not IRL then at least the Show's version of it.
Maybe I'm mistaken as my eyesight ain't what it used to be

In The Show, yeah, that tends to be the case, even with high movement for a lot of guys.

The Show undersells 4-seamers with good movement in most cases by a good bit (so far, Hector Neris, for whatever reason, has been an exception on my team). For example, when I use Sale in the game (I gave him a 4SFB + Sinker), the 4SFB doesn't move much when irl it moves a ton according to pitch f/x. However, that sinker nosedives and has noticeable movement.