Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

[KBLover]

Re: Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

I have CPU Control at 2.
I have CPU Consistency at 2.
I have User Contact at 7.
These things still happen.
Granted I play on Legend difficulty.

Legend (as do all difficulties beyond All-Star) impart "modifiers" to the sliders. Or at least that's effectively what's happening. For HOF/Legend, the "modifiers" are negative for the user side and positive for the CPU side.

7 Contact on Legend isn't the same as 7 Contact on All-Star (I use 6 Contact on All-Star). If I was to try to get that behavior on Legend, I'd probably go up to at least 8 (add 1 for every level above All-Star to start).

By the same token, CPU control at 2 on Legend might be like 5 (default) on All-Star. I use Control at 2 for CPU as well...but on All-Star...so it does tend to make them less pinpoint without destroying their ability to pitch.

Personally, I'd 0 out Control/Consistency on Legend (heck I have Consistency at 1 on All-Star because pitchers are just too fine for my tastes, especially the medicore command ones).

Legend is not really designed, imo, for realism (especially for Directional/Classic/Pulse, again imo). If I were to try it, I'd have to heavily "mod" the settings. I'd go crazy otherwise lol.

But that's just another reason why I live happily at All-Star. It's more "pure" at this level with the settings and the AI batting behavior seems more realistic (i.e. like how real hitters respond). I'd rather put every CPU slider at 10 than change difficulty level

[Padgoi]

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It can't be only me, can it?



Does anyone else read these comeback code/PCI is too big or too small/cpu is too perfect threads as code for... "my difficulty level is up too high for my skill level and I am too stubborn to change it." ?? Am I the only one that thinks that?



Because my brain immediately makes that translation when I see these types of threads. There are a handful of people who appear to keep playing the game with inappropriate sliders/difficulty for their skill and these threads are sort of the way to vent frustration from that without smashing controllers. People seem so frustrated that they also can develop a really nasty case of confirmation/recency bias (my hypothesis is correct because it's correct, I think that pitchers are different with RISP because I didn't get a hit last time, or I saw this one thing happen that lost me the game this one time) on top of the original underlying difficulty issues.



I really strongly believe that if people were more open to really testing out different difficulties/settings and not getting set on needing the hardest difficulty or having a preconceived notion of what their difficulty should be, they'd have a better experience. I used to be the "I need the hardest difficulty" guy when I used to pay attention to pro football and play Madden, but I'm not that way anymore. I can at least understand the mindset. I think this applies whether you are 3 levels too high in difficulty or even just a little bit in over your head (AS vs Rookie for example).



Some people seem to be gluttons for punishment. Video games are supposed to be fun, bros. If you find yourself continually making threads to lament the game and all the wrong it inflicts on you....then are you really enjoying the game? Or are you just telling yourself that you are? Certainly there are valid criticisms, but ones rooted in the cpu playing too well are usually fixable with settings/sliders if you are really willing to solve the issue.

I'm 43-27 with the Yankees on Legend. I'd say I'm doing fine for the difficulty level I play on.

[Padgoi]

Re: Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

I don't see this....sorry.

Maybe its because you play on Legend.

BTW....how does the game force you to swing at bad pitches? Does it take control or something?

It doesn't force me to swing at bad pitches, however with two strikes, it does force me to swing at borderline ones that result in poor contact.

[Padgoi]

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Sac flies are too uncommon. I blame the lack of G/F ratings as much as anything else. A guy like Chris Davis doesn't have his heavy flyball tendency and pitchers don't have GB/FB tendencies either. So it all becomes a random fest (for me as a Directional player anyway).

That and too much floaty/pop-uppy nature to flies this year.

I haven't noticed much difference in tendency to nibble, because I find pitchers try that anyway. It might be difficulty level (I'm All-Star, I know you live on Legend) or sliders (maybe it's my low strike frequency) but that I don't see much difference. If I left control/consistency near default, I'd probably be singing the same tune as others who observe what you mentioned.

Likewise, I haven't noticed increased velocities, either on fastball, offspeed, or breaking balls, at least based on what it says on the radar gun.

The increased velocity is not based on the radar gun, it's based on my eye. I can clearly see the pitches are zippier just by looking at them. It's honestly obvious.

[Padgoi]

Re: Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

Legend (as do all difficulties beyond All-Star) impart "modifiers" to the sliders. Or at least that's effectively what's happening. For HOF/Legend, the "modifiers" are negative for the user side and positive for the CPU side.

7 Contact on Legend isn't the same as 7 Contact on All-Star (I use 6 Contact on All-Star). If I was to try to get that behavior on Legend, I'd probably go up to at least 8 (add 1 for every level above All-Star to start).

By the same token, CPU control at 2 on Legend might be like 5 (default) on All-Star. I use Control at 2 for CPU as well...but on All-Star...so it does tend to make them less pinpoint without destroying their ability to pitch.

Personally, I'd 0 out Control/Consistency on Legend (heck I have Consistency at 1 on All-Star because pitchers are just too fine for my tastes, especially the medicore command ones).

Legend is not really designed, imo, for realism (especially for Directional/Classic/Pulse, again imo). If I were to try it, I'd have to heavily "mod" the settings. I'd go crazy otherwise lol.

But that's just another reason why I live happily at All-Star. It's more "pure" at this level with the settings and the AI batting behavior seems more realistic (i.e. like how real hitters respond). I'd rather put every CPU slider at 10 than change difficulty level

Herein lies the problem. I'm 43-27 with the Yankees. I'm not complaining about my record or about the game being too difficult, I'm doing quite well. It's the way the game plays that I'm complaining about. It's the forced nature of events. It's the fabricated way the cpu manufactures a challenge. I understand there are modifiers, but when those modifiers are based on what team you play with or the current situation you're in, that completely destroys any realism the game tries to convey.

[AncientDiety]

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Who is undermining anyone's skill level? So far all I've seen is that people are offering up help/suggestions and OP refusing to accept. Then we have you, as always, trying to stir the pot.

Its getting to be the norm of the Show forum these days.

No one has even answered the question....what you are talking about has nothing to do with the issues I am talking about, I have yet to see a suggestion. Go back read my first post....

[AncientDiety]

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Herein lies the problem. I'm 43-27 with the Yankees. I'm not complaining about my record or about the game being too difficult, I'm doing quite well. It's the way the game plays that I'm complaining about. It's the forced nature of events. It's the fabricated way the cpu manufactures a challenge. I understand there are modifiers, but when those modifiers are based on what team you play with or the current situation you're in, that completely destroys any realism the game tries to convey.

Bingo................. I am 33-14 difficulty is not an issue here. It's the flow of the game offensively and how cheap at times it gets.

[AncientDiety]

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It can't be only me, can it?

Does anyone else read these comeback code/PCI is too big or too small/cpu is too perfect threads as code for... "my difficulty level is up too high for my skill level and I am too stubborn to change it." ?? Am I the only one that thinks that?

Because my brain immediately makes that translation when I see these types of threads. There are a handful of people who appear to keep playing the game with inappropriate sliders/difficulty for their skill and these threads are sort of the way to vent frustration from that without smashing controllers. People seem so frustrated that they also can develop a really nasty case of confirmation/recency bias (my hypothesis is correct because it's correct, I think that pitchers are different with RISP because I didn't get a hit last time, or I saw this one thing happen that lost me the game this one time) on top of the original underlying difficulty issues.

I really strongly believe that if people were more open to really testing out different difficulties/settings and not getting set on needing the hardest difficulty or having a preconceived notion of what their difficulty should be, they'd have a better experience. I used to be the "I need the hardest difficulty" guy when I used to pay attention to pro football and play Madden, but I'm not that way anymore. I can at least understand the mindset. I think this applies whether you are 3 levels too high in difficulty or even just a little bit in over your head (AS vs Rookie for example).

Some people seem to be gluttons for punishment. Video games are supposed to be fun, bros. If you find yourself continually making threads to lament the game and all the wrong it inflicts on you....then are you really enjoying the game? Or are you just telling yourself that you are? Certainly there are valid criticisms, but ones rooted in the cpu playing too well are usually fixable with settings/sliders if you are really willing to solve the issue.

The point is totally over your head, what you are talking about has nothing to do with this topic. lol. The game is not hard...at all. it's already been explained/.....maybe go back read the first post

[AncientDiety]

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One of those threads where people try to explain the silliness of the game by undermining someone else's skill level?

Bingo. I thought the issue was fairly simple to understand, yet people talk immediately about skill level lol.

[countryboy]

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No one has even answered the question....what you are talking about has nothing to do with the issues I am talking about, I have yet to see a suggestion. Go back read my first post....

They are all suggestions. Problem is that you don't want to take any of the suggestions and just complain. This thread was for nothing more than venting and bashing the game. You weren't looking for suggestions but rather others to validate your "opinion". Well you've got one to get on board.

You've been given several suggestions, we have stated that we're not seeing what you're seeing. There is nothing else to do here. This thread has really run its course. If you're not open to suggestions then what is the point of the thread?

I have even asked questions to try and help find a cause, but anyone seeing it just tosses them aside and finds one thing to key on and continue to complain. It is was an issue with the game, and not the user, then everyone on this forum would be seeing it and it wouldn't have taken one person until July/August to create a thread about it.

Heck, its the 2nd thread you've created with similar topics/issues

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ustration.html

[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

Don't pitchers IRL "bare down" when it's clutch time? And pitchers pitch differently at different points in the game. I mean when a pitcher is up like 6-1 he's more likely to pitch to contact & let his defense take it's shot. But if the score is like 3-2 & RISP he's going to nibble the paint, pu a little more stuff on pitches & try for K's (like Nolan).

Also loved it when Ryan got Ventura in that headlock. Robin actually got off light.
If Nolan had just plunked him in his next AB instead of the headlock, that might have been worse for Ventura.

[KBLover]

Re: Pitchers turn into Nolan Ryan with runners on almost everytime..

Herein lies the problem. I'm 43-27 with the Yankees. I'm not complaining about my record or about the game being too difficult, I'm doing quite well. It's the way the game plays that I'm complaining about. It's the forced nature of events. It's the fabricated way the cpu manufactures a challenge. I understand there are modifiers, but when those modifiers are based on what team you play with or the current situation you're in, that completely destroys any realism the game tries to convey.

I'm not sure what you want then.

I can't re-code the game. I can offer ideas that have seemed to mitigate it (I don't get 15 hits and 3 runs, some games I get 5 runs on 7 hits, 6 runs on 5 hits, etc) in my experience. If it happens, it's not causing what you're seeing. So assuming every game does this (since no one has a different copy of the code) then maybe something I'm doing is minimizing it and I don't realize it.

If that's not what you're looking for, that's fine, I'll just leave and hope you find what you're looking for.

The modifiers thing was more for maybe considering testing some slider changes to see if you can't mitigate it for your experience. I don't doubt you can win, and I didn't even ask what your record was.

No one has even answered the question....what you are talking about has nothing to do with the issues I am talking about, I have yet to see a suggestion. Go back read my first post....

What question? I read your first post - I didn't see any questions.

I saw observations based on the experience you're having. Like I said above, if the game is doing it to all, whatever it's doing isn't causing the same issues for me that you're observing, so I brought up things I know that might be making it worse.

Not sure what else what else you're asking about?

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Very, very frustrated with MLB 16...never had this much issues with the offense ever in other years...Whenever I get runners on base the same thing happens....Pitchers almost always start painting corners and turn into cy young....I nail a ball with perfect contact but it's always right at someone, amazing diving plays and constant double plays. lead the league in hits, average yet way down in runs because of the crazy unrealistic split in hard contact no reward. I know this happens in real ball, but not remotely the frequency it happens here it is infuriating...Its almost like the game has decided I won't score many runs no matter what. They need to tone this down a lot....it's unrealistic and plays like arcade baseball. Having games with 15 hits and 3 runs is common because the AI defense all are superman and perfect contact right at sometime is way too common.

The point is totally over your head, what you are talking about has nothing to do with this topic. lol. The game is not hard...at all. it's already been explained/.....maybe go back read the first post

Hmmmmm

Aside from the fact that Nolan Ryan (see thread title) is about the last pitcher you want to reference for pitchers that "always start painting the corners." Nolan Ryan is the all-time leader in BBs.....

I thought I was actually offering some legitimate advice, but, you're right. Totally over my head.

[Sgexpat]

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Difficulty is not the issue...its the hits/to runs ration because of the prevalence of the issues I posted, I don't have any issues hitting HR's, getting hits, it's just the high hits, lower runs are the issue. I consistently hit the ball hard.

I've literally never experienced this issue over a large sample size. In fact if anything my number of runs is not much lower than hits because I walk a lot.

Some of the advice here is good. Take it.

[Cubfan]

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Not another comeback code thread. Closed