Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Hate to start a "Am I the only one?" thread but just interested if this is an actual thing with the game or just an anomaly with my current season. Among my everyday players there's almost no statistical gap:

Kinsler: .305
Maybin: .276
Cabrera: .276
V. Martinez: .270
J. Martinzez: .301
Upton: .270
Castellanos: .271
McCann: .265
Iglesias: .285

Granted I've got Saltalamacchia hitting .184 (152 AB), Mike Aviles at .224 (174 AB) and Tyler Collins at .237 (80 AB), and a host of others with wildly varying stats due to limited time, but those aren't everyday guys.

And all it would take is like Miggy & VMart to be hitting like .344 and .321 respectively or something and I wouldn't have even noticed this. But just damn, 6 of 9 guys all in the same 11-point range? NOBODY above .305 and NOBODY below .265?

This is playing every game, through 123 games. I dunno, I just expected a bit better. Very meh results after all this time and energy.

[KBLover]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

What are their BABIPs?

That would be another piece of data to tell. If the BAs are similar but the BABIPs are wide ranging, then that's showing more separation, and then taken together can give you a picture on who's doing what and how.

FWIW, here's mine (end of season, BA, BABIP) for guys who played at least semi-regularly (between platoons and injuries and not counting trade deadline acquisitions) for my fresh MLB16 franchise:

Addison Russell: .272, .336
Jorge Mateo: .270, .345
Joey Gallo: .294, .334
Stephen Piscotty: .321, .347
Kyle Schwarber: .263, .282
Miguel Sano: .259, .303
Delino DeShields Jr: .254, .287
Mark Trumbo: .288, .339
Bryon Buxton: .274, .316

(Team Stats: .267, .312)

Pretty decent spread among these semi-regulars and everyday players. Sano, Schwarber, and DeShields Jr were below team average in both categories.

Buxton pretty much team average in both. Mateo and Russell team average in BAs, but much higher in BABIP.

Piscotty trumped both (though BABIP was closer than BA), while Gallo was above team average in both by a similar margin.

Trumbo's is somewhat "manufactured" as he, ideally, is a platoon player. He's far better vs LHP. That said, he platoon with Schwarber at DH for the most part...and Schwarber was below team average in both categories.

I played every game.

I didn't run the carryover since I figure there's other factors with it being 8 years in and now through 3 versions of the game. I can run it if interested.

[KBLover]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

I went to fangraphs and looked up the stats for a few teams (at random), sorted by PAs (to find the regulars/semi-regulars) and took a look at the BA spread.

It's not that wide in a lot of cases. For example, for the Rangers, from Jurrickson Profar (197 PA) on up (9 players), 6 of them are clustered around .276 and .294.

The Reds: there's Votto at .290, Suarez at .230, many of the rest of the regulars are around .250-.260.

The Nats are funny: Murphy, .356. Ramos, .332. Then there's a lot of folks around .220 and a few .250's. This kind of spread might be more abnormal on the same team. Plus...a division leader with so many .220-.230 BAs...including Bryce Harper.

I think there's a difference between the distribution on teams and at the whole league population. Yeah, an 11 point difference across the whole league would be weird. But team-by-team, it may not be terribly uncommon to see "clustering".

Granted, I didn't look at all the teams. Maybe I just happened across the few outliers that clusered BAs.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

it's because your eyes are their eyes, they see what you see as opposed to guys seeing the ball differently like they do IRL. this is just something that would be hard to fix in a video game...

[Sgexpat]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

I have always observed decent ranges, often commensurate with their ratings but sometimes greatly over or under performing.

I had a guy hit 176 in 190 AB (sent down) another his 205 in 200 AB (sent down). the rest ranged from 252 to 336.

[oldtimey]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

it's because your eyes are their eyes, they see what you see as opposed to guys seeing the ball differently like they do IRL. this is just something that would be hard to fix in a video game...

This is why I play cpu vs cpu. I don't want Trout or Bryant thinking and hitting like me. I don't want to serve up a HR for Kershaw when I know Posey would never guess back to back curveballs. I let the players to do the playing. I just relax and witness history, pitch by pitch. My stats are very realistic league-wide.

[mrCPUgeek]

Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

This is why I play cpu vs cpu. I don't want Trout or Bryant thinking and hitting like me. I don't want to serve up a HR for Kershaw when I know Posey would never guess back to back curveballs. I let the players to do the playing. I just relax and witness history, pitch by pitch. My stats are very realistic league-wide.

Rather than CPU v. CPU. You could try manage mode or player lock. Player lock, you are only one batter. Manage mode, you still call the shots but the hitting and pitching is determined by the CPU.

With that being said, I use directional batting and classic pitching and get a wide range of results based on player's attributes. But I guess your could still say that you decision to swing or what pitch and where come into play.


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[Ghost Of The Year]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

it's because your eyes are their eyes, they see what you see as opposed to guys seeing the ball differently like they do IRL. this is just something that would be hard to fix in a video game...

Which leads me to assume NEO may be using Zone Hitting & not Directional.
But I've been wrong before, & likely will be wrong again at some point in the future

[KBLover]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

it's because your eyes are their eyes, they see what you see as opposed to guys seeing the ball differently like they do IRL. this is just something that would be hard to fix in a video game...

Yeah, especially without being obviously "gamey" like making the ball harder to see or anything like that.

One thing that I try to do is hit with the hitter's spray chart and with his ratings. That creates some variety in approach and where I focus my vision more in line with what the hitter would probably to do irl.

For example, with Piscotty, he's an opposite field hitter in the game. So I'm influencing away, looking to swing just a bit late (let the ball get deep in the zone) and looking away. If I have to swing at something inside, that can cause him problems with this approach (or maybe he can "Jeter it" to right field).

Meanwhile, someone like Gallo - a pull power hitter, or even Mateo, an EXTREME pull, low power hitter, I'm influencing pull or otherwise trying to get out there and get around on something.

It's still my eyes being everyone's, but my eyes are looking more towards the hitter's own strengths/attributes. That at least "creates" different bad spots and tough locations and pitches to deal with, which varies (unless you have a lot of the same type of hitter in your lineup).

[Comduklakis]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

Hate to start a "Am I the only one?" thread but just interested if this is an actual thing with the game or just an anomaly with my current season. Among my everyday players there's almost no statistical gap:

Kinsler: .305
Maybin: .276
Cabrera: .276
V. Martinez: .270
J. Martinzez: .301
Upton: .270
Castellanos: .271
McCann: .265
Iglesias: .285

Granted I've got Saltalamacchia hitting .184 (152 AB), Mike Aviles at .224 (174 AB) and Tyler Collins at .237 (80 AB), and a host of others with wildly varying stats due to limited time, but those aren't everyday guys.

And all it would take is like Miggy & VMart to be hitting like .344 and .321 respectively or something and I wouldn't have even noticed this. But just damn, 6 of 9 guys all in the same 11-point range? NOBODY above .305 and NOBODY below .265?

This is playing every game, through 123 games. I dunno, I just expected a bit better. Very meh results after all this time and energy.

I find this interesting as I also use the Tigers. Currently about 70 games in I have a HUGE range from Kinsler at .353 to Salty at .221. Upton and JD are also under .250, although JD has 20 HRs. Cabrera and Vmart stay around .300, McCain is at .313 but has been dropping like a stone since a hot start. Iglesias has been hot and gone all the way up to .270. Maybin is at .265. Castellanos has also been hot and is at .294

This is the third year in a row where I've raked with Kinsler. I actually stuggle with Miggy and he hits MUCH better in games I sim than games I play. I simply have certain hitters I'm better with. I use directional hitting also.

[KBLover]

Re: Are you seeing good averages distribution? Because I'm not.

This is the third year in a row where I've raked with Kinsler. I actually stuggle with Miggy and he hits MUCH better in games I sim than games I play. I simply have certain hitters I'm better with. I use directional hitting also.

For whatever reason, I do not do well with RH power hitters unless facing LHP.

I don't know what that is. Something subtle in my vision? My camera view?

(maybe that's another way to get some variety in vision, adjust camera based on the hitter...for example, use your four camera views to create a easy to see high, low, inside, out views based on your preferred overall view. i.e. if you like offset zoom, create four versions of offset zoom, then pick one based on if your guy is a high ball, low ball, pull, or opposite field hitter).