Zone hitting influence.

[Gagnon39]

I remember a few years ago when using zone hitting we had the ability to attempt to influence where we would hit the ball. This was very helpful when needing a sacrifice fly or a ground ball to the right side of the infield. However, it seems since directional hitting has been introduced that feature is gone, or perhaps I'm just missing it somehow.

I'm curious if anyone knows if there is a way to still influence where we're trying to hit the ball when using zone. I keep bouncing back and forth between zone and directional. I like directional but I feel like computer just dictates too much what's going to happen when using it.

Case in point last night. I had three consecutive pitches in which I had "good" timing on balls in the zone, and swung and missed at all three of them for a strikeout. In the same game I was sitting on a ball up and in (with Rizzo) timed it perfectly and the result? Pop-up on the infield.

The one thing I like about directional over zone is the ability to attempt to influence the ball's direction, but I just don't know if I can continue to watch poor contact on good timing over and over.

[bcruise]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

Last year we were told that the swing influence has been gone for years (even though the control was still in the game and actually gave rumble feedback when you used it). This year even the feedback was removed.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...4&postcount=64 (Nem is relaying dev info from '15 Community Day)

So, no, there's no way other than to swing earlier/later. Except that some hitters will be more likely to pull than others.

I'm not going to go into why you aren't getting the results you want with zone because that's a minefield discussion.

[Gagnon39]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

Last year we were told that the swing influence has been gone for years (even though the control was still in the game and actually gave rumble feedback when you used it). This year even the feedback was removed.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...4&postcount=64 (Nem is relaying dev info from '15 Community Day)

So, no, there's no way other than to swing earlier/later. Except that some hitters will be more likely to pull than others.

I'm not going to go into why you aren't getting the results you want with zone because that's a minefield discussion.

Thanks and fair enough. Let me ask you though, assuming you use directional, does holing up and to the left/right help hit home runs and/or balls into the gap?

[Vtownwaves]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

In my limited experience with directional, up gets on top of the ball, down gets under it. So I always aimed down and away. If I aimed up, I would ground ball most of the time. Only reason to go up is if you're facing a popup pitchers so you can get better wood on the ball instead of getting too far underneath. Also helped me lay off some of the outside throws but not all of them. ****ing curveballs...

[jada855]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

Hey guys,

Am I missing something. I thought with Zone hitting you can aim with the directional stick and influence where the ball will go?

For example I am using Zone hitting and if a pitcher throws a pitch outside I press the left stick towards the right and end up slapping the ball to the opposite side of the field (Using a right handed batter).

Or if there is a pitch down in the zone. I press the left stick down and swing to make contact. Is this not the case?

[Gagnon39]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

In my limited experience with directional, up gets on top of the ball, down gets under it. So I always aimed down and away. If I aimed up, I would ground ball most of the time. Only reason to go up is if you're facing a popup pitchers so you can get better wood on the ball instead of getting too far underneath. Also helped me lay off some of the outside throws but not all of them. ****ing curveballs...

I have to say I disagree with this.

I would love to watch/read something that goes into specifics about the best way to hit with directional hitting.

[Steven78]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

Hey guys,

Am I missing something. I thought with Zone hitting you can aim with the directional stick and influence where the ball will go?

For example I am using Zone hitting and if a pitcher throws a pitch outside I press the left stick towards the right and end up slapping the ball to the opposite side of the field (Using a right handed batter).

Or if there is a pitch down in the zone. I press the left stick down and swing to make contact. Is this not the case?

You're just aiming where the bat is swinging with zone.

[COMMISSIONERHBK9]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

can ramone help us out with directional and zone hitting cuz I'm so confuse.i don't even know which mode to pick and how to use it correctly

[jada855]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

can ramone help us out with directional and zone hitting cuz I'm so confuse.i don't even know which mode to pick and how to use it correctly

COMMISSIONERHBK9,

This might be helpful to you. I just started using directional hitting and I feel this is what I was trying to accomplish with Zone all of this time.

Take a look at this thread El_MaYiMbE shares some good knowledge!

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-properly.html

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

can ramone help us out with directional and zone hitting cuz I'm so confuse.i don't even know which mode to pick and how to use it correctly

Next time you see me on, shoot me a message and I'll broadcast and explain some things with zone.

[COMMISSIONERHBK9]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

COMMISSIONERHBK9,

This might be helpful to you. I just started using directional hitting and I feel this is what I was trying to accomplish with Zone all of this time.

Take a look at this thread El_MaYiMbE shares some good knowledge!

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-properly.html

thx

Next time you see me on, shoot me a message and I'll broadcast and explain some things with zone.

ok are you on now by any chance?

[KBLover]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

Case in point last night. I had three consecutive pitches in which I had "good" timing on balls in the zone, and swung and missed at all three of them for a strikeout. In the same game I was sitting on a ball up and in (with Rizzo) timed it perfectly and the result? Pop-up on the infield.

I've said it before and I'll say it until I'm dead or I'm banned.

Timing is just one component of a swing.

Good timing and bad placement = bad result, both in the real game and in The Show. That's the way it should be. If irl Rizzo swung with good timing but too far under the ball, he'd pop it up or foul it back (or miss it completely), too.

This would happen in Zone as well. Bad PCI placement is bad PCI placement. It's just that in Zone, if you use it well, you can avoid terrible placements more often.

With Zone, you control timing AND placement. I assume that also works similar to real ball. Best lift is slightly under the ball. You impart an upward angle and back spin without wasting too much energy with a too high trajectory. "Influence" with zone is an odd concept because the "influence" should be your swing location + swing timing, both of which you have direct control over with Zone interface.

The best power is actually a pull-ish swing. JE/E swings. Good enough to still drive the ball and impart power in the swing, and it lets you really open up on the ball. This is especially true for a Pull hitter (look at their hit chart). Unless they took this out of the game, Pull hitters do better, especially for power, on JE/E than G timing.

Yes, the game is governing PCI location in Directional. That's a feature of the interface. Influencing in Directional is no guarantee. It's what you want the hitter to TRY to do. "Influencing" in Zone should be pretty much assured since you control the PCI. I would think it's just a matter of pitch selection or bat (timing) control (which you also need for Directional and influence since you always have bat (timing) control in your hands.)

[loso_34]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

COMMISSIONERHBK9,

This might be helpful to you. I just started using directional hitting and I feel this is what I was trying to accomplish with Zone all of this time.

Take a look at this thread El_MaYiMbE shares some good knowledge!

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-properly.html

I also switched to directional after years using zone reading that thread.

its weird to say but it feel like im actually swinging a bat using directional. When i have runners on..i gotta manufacture runs. with zone i was just trying to align that pci.

and its not as easy as the folk here would tell you. I've had games where guys throw me meatballs and i'll muster up 1-2 hits it can be frustrating.

[RockPowderDownLoL]

Re: Zone hitting influence.

I think hit influence is still in the game for zone. sometimes when entering a session of COTW there is a tip/note at the bottom of the screen that says " use swing influence to complete hit bonuses " and I almost always just by habit always pick a swing influence before each pitch. certain pitchers are impossible to hit IMO if i don't use hit influence, for example, RHP Lowe on the Tigers with his height and over the top delivery makes it impossible to stay on top of his pitch so even with my pull hitters i try and hit it the other way, not necessarily to hit it that way but just to create the proper angle for when i make contact. I am not giving an accurate example but just to point out why I still use hit influence and I have played a lot and to me I feel as though it makes a difference in my results especially on higher difficulties i think it's important to use hit influence(if it still exists) to be able to hit certain types of pitches.