Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

[BlacknBlue]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

And it's frustrating when people ask SCEA for a reason something can't be done, get a reason, and then complain that the reason isn't good enough or SCEA should do it anyway because of this or that.




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Because sometimes the reason is wrong, or misunderstood. And if you go through life accepting something the way that it is just because it is that way then you're not very likely to succeed at much.

There have been many examples within this game alone in which reasons we were previously given had circumstances change, and priorities managed differently. Closed domes, re-coloring of uniforms or additional uniform slots for some teams, style guide limitations, and named brands on equipment, were just a few things that got fixed or put into this game in the past 2 iterations because of things brought up or demanded by this fan base alone.

So to scoff at people who push for answers, especially in a polite and productive manner, just because something isn't personally important to you or your enjoyment of the game is pretty unfair to those that do care or wonder at the very least why things are the way they are.

And if nothing else, even if things cannot be changed, it hurts no one to get clarification on these matters. And would also save everyone here a lot of time in explaining to every other person that comes in with these same questions. Like they always say, you'll never know unless you ask.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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[Caulfield]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Is it weird the Nats deny their heritage as Expos in one breath, then in the next exhale their ties to Gary Carter Andre Dawson Tim Raines Pedro Martinez Randy Johnson and others?
Lets face it, the Show is between a rock and a hard place because of the Expos, the Nats, and fans. But at the same time, for other members of OS to look down on those who are pushing to get the Expos in is equally strange. If the Expos never return to th Show that will be fine by me but I'm not going to knock the members of OS who are actively seeking to get the Expos in. I can recall a time when SDS didnt want to make the Potential Attribute editable,but there was plenty of push here OS to get it, and lo now its done. There are plenty other instances of similar things some of the community wanted and were eventually added. If SDS doesnt want the Expos but then at some point decides "OK, we'll get it done" we may or may not thank those here on OS for voicing their opinion on what makes a better game, but with 100% confidence, the members of OS who knock the members of OS who are actively seeking to get the Expos will not. Not that they would even want that thanks but I cant understand why they would even care what gets added if they dont have to use it. I would throw an [/endrant]
here, but I may or may not be done ranting.

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[kehlis]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

But at the same time, for other members of OS to look down on those who are pushing to get the Expos in is equally strange.

Can you provide me one example of anyone at OS looking down at someone for wanting the Expos jerseys in the game?

I haven't seen one person talk down or tell someone they don't have a right to want the Expos in the game.

[capa]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

And it's frustrating when people ask SCEA for a reason something can't be done, get a reason, and then complain that the reason isn't good enough or SCEA should do it anyway because of this or that.




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Are you putting me in that category?

[Caulfield]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Can you provide me one example of anyone at OS looking down at someone for wanting the Expos jerseys in the game?

I haven't seen one person talk down or tell someone they don't have a right to want the Expos in the game.

Its possible I misinterpreted one or two posts. But it was the impression I took.
I have been wrong before, so it could be on me.

[countryboy]

Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Because sometimes the reason is wrong, or misunderstood. And if you go through life accepting something the way that it is just because it is that way then you're not very likely to succeed at much.

There have been many examples within this game alone in which reasons we were previously given had circumstances change, and priorities managed differently. Closed domes, re-coloring of uniforms or additional uniform slots for some teams, style guide limitations, and named brands on equipment, were just a few things that got fixed or put into this game in the past 2 iterations because of things brought up or demanded by this fan base alone.

So to scoff at people who push for answers, especially in a polite and productive manner, just because something isn't personally important to you or your enjoyment of the game is pretty unfair to those that do care or wonder at the very least why things are the way they are.

And if nothing else, even if things cannot be changed, it hurts no one to get clarification on these matters. And would also save everyone here a lot of time in explaining to every other person that comes in with these same questions. Like they always say, you'll never know unless you ask.

The answer was given why the Expos uniforms aren't in the game by the developers. They don't have the license.

What more does SCEA need to clarify?

And I'm not scoffing at anyone for wanting the Expos uniforms in the game. I'm questioning why people refuse to accept SCEA's reasons for them not being in.

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[countryboy]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Are you putting me in that category?

No I was making a general statement about where this discussion has gone


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[Caulfield]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

The answer was given why the Expos uniforms aren't in the game by the developers. They don't have the license.

What more does SCEA need to clarify?


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SCEA doesnt have to clarify anything.
But then I also dont see why its "frustrating" if some people here on OS are curious, and find the topic interesting enough to have a discussion about, as long as its a civil discussion:

A)Why they dont have the licence?
B)Does SCEA want the licence?
C)Is SCEA actively trying to get the licence?
D)Does MLB want SCEA to have the licence, but for the right price?
E)Does MLB not want SCEA to have the licence at all?
F)Does MLB even have a say in if SCEA can get the licence?
G)Maybe RBI Baseball has an exclusive licence with the Expos and SCEA couldnt get it even if they wanted it, and MLB was willing for them to have.

There are more questions than answers, and for every answer, it opens the possibility for more questions. For better or for worse. Again, it wont frustrate me in the least if the Show ever gets the Expos again, and it wont frustrate me if some here on OS try to get the Expos in the Show.

[countryboy]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

SCEA doesnt have to clarify anything.

But then I also dont see why its "frustrating" if some people here on OS are curious, and find the topic interesting enough to have a discussion about, as long as its a civil discussion:



A)Why they dont have the licence?

B)Does SCEA want the licence?

C)Is SCEA actively trying to get the licence?

D)Does MLB want SCEA to have the licence, but for the right price?

E)Does MLB not want SCEA to have the licence at all?

F)Does MLB even have a say in if SCEA can get the licence?

G)Maybe RBI Baseball has an exclusive licence with the Expos and SCEA couldnt get it even if they wanted it, and MLB was willing for them to have.



There are more questions than answers, and for every answer, it opens the possibility for more questions. For better or for worse. Again, it wont frustrate me in the least if the Show ever gets the Expos again, and it wont frustrate me if some here on OS try to get the Expos in the Show.

All of that is fine.

But when people start suggesting that SCEA should just do it anyways or that since the uniforms were in the game before they should be now, after SCEA has given their reasons, then it gets frustrating.




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[BlacknBlue]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

So I've reached out to several entities in the hopes to get some clarification on some of these topics.

I sent correspondence to the MLB themselves (which I don't anticipate a response), several Grapefruit League team's equipment staffs (of which I have somewhat of a working connection to), Paul Lukas of ESPN and uniwatch.com (who has dealt with seeking out similar answers and even worked in finding out information about the Expos in the past for his own purposes), and others.

I know that this time of year is busy for baseball and I wouldn't expect to hear back anything in a timely fashion, but I will keep this post updated in any responses or findings that I come across. The developers are also welcome to chime-in with any information they wish to, or can provide. I know they have seen this discussion and have yet to relay any information regarding the topic, but that is okay. We also do not know what sort of restrictions and regulations they are bound to regarding their deal with the MLB and Sony, etc.

So, stay tuned...

[PVarck31]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

I get that people want the Expos uniforms in the game. And I get why they want to know why they aren't in, beyond them not having the license. But video game companies are secretive by nature and I doubt SDS will come out with a detailed explanation of why they don't have the license and what the status is on the license. If they do, then great. I guess it doesn't hurt to ask. But I think however many pages this thread is with no answer is probably SDS' answer.

Just my thoughts on it, and I'm not saying we can't keep discussing it.

[dran1984]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Solution - Expansion/Relocation/Re branding package. Even include a logo vault. Madden has it. NBA 2K has it. NHL even has it. Time for MLB to join.

[MauerMorneau09]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Solution - Expansion/Relocation/Re branding package. Even include a logo vault. Madden has it. NBA 2K has it. NHL even has it. Time for MLB to join.

Exactly. I wouldn't consider it a more "simple" solution than going through the hassle of obtaining licenses for throwback teams, but the framework is already there. DD has a good base for a uniform creator(Personally, though, I would like to be able to import our own logos like 2K). Right now the only hurdle looks like a robust enough stadium creator where we can get detailed stadiums without having to be Architects. At the same time, who knows if this creates any licensing problems and whether or not SCEA has the time/resources to pull it off. With graphics getting a major overhaul this year, one can hope that more time could possibly be put towards an Expansion mode.

[PhilliesFan13]

Re: Throwbacks, Montreal Expos, and the Style Guide

Probably time to close this one up I would think. Doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

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