Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

[Impetuous65]

Posting and hoping they will eventually address this issue of the Pitcher gaining confidence for being at a disadvantage, the batter can take the pitcher deep into the count and gain nothing for his effort, the pitcher gets all the glory in his failure.

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[NDAlum]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

I see your point but I don't think this is a good example.

#1- You're not making very good contact on the foul balls and your timing is poor.
#2- The misses are good misses by the pitcher

As a former pitcher it's more annoying than anything when a guy just slaps some balls foul. Now if you put one into the stands just foul down the LF line then yea...okay you get the conf going down a bit.

[Impetuous65]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

I see your point but I don't think this is a good example.

#1- You're not making very good contact on the foul balls and your timing is poor.
#2- The misses are good misses by the pitcher

As a former pitcher it's more annoying than anything when a guy just slaps some balls foul. Now if you put one into the stands just foul down the LF line then yea...okay you get the conf going down a bit.

Then why is the pitcher steadily gaining confidence? and he gains confidence on the exact same scenario you describe, there is no difference at all. Deep into counts 10 pitches at bat and confidence steadily grows. Again, foul ball hit type does not matter the pitcher gets the same result.

[NDAlum]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Well if you show a ball getting scorched and the pitcher confidence going up I'll agree with you.

In the context of the AB you showed I don't agree that his confidence should've gone down.

[Impetuous65]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Well if you show a ball getting scorched and the pitcher confidence going up I'll agree with you.

In the context of the AB you showed I don't agree that his confidence should've gone down.

I never said he should lose confidence, I stated his confidence should remain static because the pitch doesn't result in a strike.

[nemesis04]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Posting and hoping they will eventually address this issue of the Pitcher gaining confidence for being at a disadvantage, the batter can take the pitcher deep into the count and gain nothing for his effort, the pitcher gets all the glory in his failure.

The pitcher did not walk away totally clean, you got him to use up a portion of energy on just one at bat. The system has always been result based and there has been a lot of debate on this through the years. Pitcher/pitch confidence only affects control and does not have an affect on your ability to hit.

[kehlis]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Every pitch in that sequence was placed where the pitcher wanted it. He even got some foul tips off of pitches that would otherwise have been balls. I have no problem with his confidence going up. I wouldn't have even had a problem if the low and away fastball that ended up being ball had increased his confidence because as a pitcher, he put the ball right where he wanted to.

Like NDAlum said, show me a pitcher missing his spot badly resulting in the confidence going up and I'll agree with you.

The confidence of the pitcher is not related to the patience of the batter as you seem to think it is. It's about the ball going to the spot he wants it to which happened every pitch in this at bat.

[TheBleedingRed21]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Yeah this was a bad example to use. The pitcher had you fighting everything off. It wasn't you hitting it whenever you wanted.

A pitcher will gain confidence when he knows the batter is force to make contact, especially on the balls out of zone you chased. Of course it should go up. They have you where they want you.

To piggy back ND, you nailing a ball for a long foul that just missed a home run is a different story. But this instance, you had your back against the wall during the whole at bat.

[Impetuous65]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

The pitcher did not walk away totally clean, you got him to use up a portion of energy on just one at bat. The system has always been result based and there has been a lot of debate on this through the years. Pitcher/pitch confidence only affects control and does not have an affect on your ability to hit.

Never knew this, thanks for that info chief. I stand corrected. The only explanation that made sense, and based on the game mechanics.

[Impetuous65]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

Well if you show a ball getting scorched and the pitcher confidence going up I'll agree with you.

In the context of the AB you showed I don't agree that his confidence should've gone down.

After making an earlier declaration that how hard I hit the foul ball it made no difference. I am happy to report to the contrary, your assessment is correct, confidence does change based on the type of foul ball hit.

quick twitter clip of the results.

https://twitter.com/backbreaker1965/status/838458957773463553

[Jr.]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

I turn pitch confidence off. It's not replicated well, in my mind, and causes more issues than good things.

[TattooedEvil]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

ya i agree with everyone on here. every pitchers confidence would go up cuz he had u where he wanted u. u were clearly defensive which resulted in poor contact and any pitcher would know he had u at his mercy. if you woulda watched a couple of those its a walk and his confidence goes down. also if Strickland had any sort of decent off speed pitch you woulda been miles in front and u were still plenty late on his FBs

[Trackball]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

I turn pitch confidence off. It's not replicated well, in my mind, and causes more issues than good things.

I always thought that just turned the display off, and pitch confidence was still there, just hidden. The options screen didn't explain this well.

So turning that off disables pitch confidence entirely? Just making sure.

[Bullit]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

I always thought that just turned the display off, and pitch confidence was still there, just hidden. The options screen didn't explain this well.

So turning that off disables pitch confidence entirely? Just making sure.

I was just coming to post this. Turning off Pitch Confidence, to my understanding only turns of the display. Pitch Confidence is still in full effect.

[Impetuous65]

Re: Individual Pitch Confidence Dichotomy

ya i agree with everyone on here. every pitchers confidence would go up cuz he had u where he wanted u. u were clearly defensive which resulted in poor contact and any pitcher would know he had u at his mercy. if you woulda watched a couple of those its a walk and his confidence goes down. also if Strickland had any sort of decent off speed pitch you woulda been miles in front and u were still plenty late on his FBs

I wasn't trying to get a hit, the whole experiment was to find out if confidence rose on a foul pitch that doesn't result in a strike. I was trying to foul the ball on purpose, not trying to get a hit.