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  • Stroehms
    MVP
    • Jan 2008
    • 2640

    #121
    Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

    Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
    More players are auto scouted for you

    We opened up player equipment generation so generated guys will get licensed equipment now

    We re-wrote secondary position generation logic to better reflect real life

    We tweaked speed generation logic for OF

    We re-wrote facial hair and hair generation logic for generated players


    Thank you.

    Do you know when we will hear about online Franchise?


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    • WillGio
      Rookie
      • Aug 2013
      • 65

      #122
      Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

      Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
      Because it's astronomically difficult, again we are a small dev team relative to other sports titles. We have one programmer for Franchise mode 1. And he's amazing but its one body.

      The first thing we looked at this cycle back in April of last year for franchise mode was rotating schedules I want this feature, Luis, wants this feature Daniel the programmer wants this feature.

      He looked at the code and told us we can't do this in 8 months it's too much code, too risky, and that would be the only thing we got. So we choose to work on Quick manage and critical situations. We love these features, our SVT wants these features and they took all 8 months to implement correctly.

      Nothing is as easy as it might seem on the outside.
      You're right. And please, don't take our critique as being ungrateful. SDS is the only reason MLB is alive in the Video Game market. We know it takes years to develop a solid foundation, and then several iterations of the series to fully realize a feature/modes potential.. But... One thing that has to be understood is that GM/Franchise modes are very important. And we don't expect it to be 100% realistic from day one, but I think the problem with Franchise in this year's game is that it took very little steps forward in terms of Baseball Operations. Not only in terms of signing extensions, negotiating with Free Agents, setting a team leader, but in terms of AI. What I, and many fans, hope won't happen, is we start our first Franchise, and quickly realize Gameplay is the only change to the mode.

      AI trading algorithms desperately need(ed) attention, Teams signing FA has very little logic behind it. And also we don't feel as if we can build a perennial contender, because the scouting/drafting functions are flat and unrealistic. If I'm the Phillies and I draft a stud, with great potential and good baseline stats, I want to look at him and say "Wow, that's our future". Same way with if a solid player slides down towards mid 2nd Round, and you look and say "If I properly progress him, he could be a steal"

      There's almost no personal attachment to the team, no excitement. And even tho some players have A potential, we often don't have the proper tools to progress a prospect, or mold him to a certain place.

      I get you guys only have a short cycle to complete your goals, and the Graphical improvements are huge. But Franchise has to step it's game up next year. I'm sure you've at least seen NBA 2k's gameplay, and their GM mode is very hands on and enables you to feel like you're creating a core.

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      • JayD
        All Star
        • Mar 2004
        • 5457

        #123
        Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

        Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
        Because it's astronomically difficult, again we are a small dev team relative to other sports titles. We have one programmer for Franchise mode 1. And he's amazing but its one body.

        The first thing we looked at this cycle back in April of last year for franchise mode was rotating schedules I want this feature, Luis, wants this feature Daniel the programmer wants this feature.

        He looked at the code and told us we can't do this in 8 months it's too much code, too risky, and that would be the only thing we got. So we choose to work on Quick manage and critical situations. We love these features, our SVT wants these features and they took all 8 months to implement correctly.

        Nothing is as easy as it might seem on the outside.
        I dont know programming so I have no idea how hard these things are. I guess the little things in my eyes are massive for those that actually know what they're doing. Thanks for the clarification.

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        • JayD
          All Star
          • Mar 2004
          • 5457

          #124
          Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

          Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
          More players are auto scouted for you
          We opened up player equipment generation so generated guys will get licensed equipment now
          We re-wrote secondary position generation logic to better reflect real life
          We tweaked speed generation logic for OF
          We re-wrote facial hair and hair generation logic for generated players
          Generated players getting licensed & proper equipment choices is a massive fix. Now I dont need to edit everyones equipment . Thanks!

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          • NewNapkin
            Moderator
            • May 2009
            • 989

            #125
            Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

            Originally posted by DamnYanks2
            I can't believe we still don't have a create a stadium option.


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            Can I ask why? I don't get why people think this is a much-needed feature that would probably require the focus of the entire dev team.
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            • TheWarmWind
              MVP
              • Apr 2015
              • 2620

              #126
              Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

              Originally posted by Russell_SCEA
              More players are auto scouted for you
              We opened up player equipment generation so generated guys will get licensed equipment now
              We re-wrote secondary position generation logic to better reflect real life
              We tweaked speed generation logic for OF
              We re-wrote facial hair and hair generation logic for generated players
              Thank you Russell. Little more enthused now, especially seeing secondary positions get some attention.

              Please understand, some of us are being vocal not because we hate the changes, but because we wish to have a (small) influence on the direction of the game. Quick manage is a great feature (I will be using it for blowouts and minor league games), just not the kind of thing a hardcore franchiser is looking for.

              It's a safe assumption that most of the franchisers on OS are hardcore. We are also very passionate because to us, it's the only true way to play the game.

              I still think you guys are awesome and this years game is looking amazing. Just please bear with my whining.

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              • Caulfield
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2011
                • 10986

                #127
                Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                What I plan to do over the next few weeks is recommend the Show to as many casual gamers that I know, as many as I can (not that I havent done this in the past) and hope something will spark. This games audience has to grow to greater numbers if us hardcores are going to get more goodies. If sales pick up over the next 2-3 years, hopefully Sony will increase SDS' budget into one that this fantastic team deserves.
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                • Mikeyo918
                  Pro
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 530

                  #128
                  Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                  I'm indifferent about the stream today. Lots of cool ways to help get people through seasons, but it seems they only talked about just that.
                  Any news on midseason extensions?
                  Do minor league stats carry over? In the offseason if I'm looking to sign a veteran to a "minor league" deal (at least in my mind) i'd like to know how he did that previous season.
                  Do players acquire/lose player quirks based on hot/cold streaks?
                  I'm sure we will get the general "improved AI logic on trades/FA/lineups, but could we get an in depth look at random times of seasons, I never see teams release players, nor even sign free agents during the regular season.

                  I'll surely buy MLBTS once again, but as a die hard offline franchise guy, I wish there was more.
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                  • bcruise
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 23274

                    #129
                    Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

                    Originally posted by BigOscar
                    Any change to the morale and AI decision making on trades/free agents/roster moves? As the morale in particular had some real bugs in it
                    As far as the morale went, I noticed that they ended up going through the same process in the stream that triggered the biggest morale bug from last year - and it didn't happen. That was simulating through a game using quick manage/sportscast - last year that forced all pitchers in the league to have a team role of "Bullpen", which messed up morale across the league. Since their Quick Manage segment came before Morale discussion, we could see what the starting pitchers roles looked like after the simming. And they looked correct (smiley faces).

                    So, at least right now, I think that was fixed.

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                    • eric7064
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1151

                      #130
                      Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

                      Originally posted by JayD
                      Generated players getting licensed & proper equipment choices is a massive fix. Now I dont need to edit everyones equipment . Thanks!
                      I wish we would be given the option to edit in online Franchise. So many player's wearing multi #'s.

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                      • Councilmann_Jamm
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 745

                        #131
                        Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                        Can Player Quirks be turned off? I held off on 2k this year from reading so many people complaining about the Player Archtypes and how they effected the game.

                        I'm a franchise guy myself and can love everything that's been changed. But Player Quirks possibly being overpowered scares me. Will need to play around more with this when game drops.

                        The game had me sold with the new hit types and that will make for an amazing experience for this years game.
                        Last edited by Councilmann_Jamm; 03-09-2017, 09:11 PM.

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                        • andrewochs615
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 318

                          #132
                          Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream is LIVE - Franchise Mode

                          Originally posted by Bullit
                          I have been hesitant with the state of the forums lately to share my opinion on all this but I have actually been writing this for a day or so and I think it works they way I intend it to.

                          I, like most of you, have been a fan of The Show for a long time. We each have our own reasons why this game is important to us and those reasons are as varied as the way we play the game.

                          I play Franchise and RTTS exclusively. I have messed with DD and Battle Royale a little bit. But those modes are just not for me. I like collecting the cards and use the equipment in RTTS of course. But I don't care about it's status. I will use a bat because it a Louisville Slugger not because its a Gold or Diamnond.

                          I love these modes and I know I lot of you do too. I play every inning of every game, just like a lot of you as well. What I don't do anymore is play a lot of other games. I reallized about two years ago that I was buying all of these games and I would play The Show and one or two RPG's in the course of a year. That realization has changed the way I do things now. Last year I bought 5 games total and so far this year I have bought one. The Show will be number 2.

                          The Show is my go to game, 2 or 3 games a day, more if I have a day off. This is the way I like to play. Slow and steady, I love when my games take 2 hours and I consider it time well spent. I was super excited for '17 and I guess in a way I still am a bit. I am all for options and I am glad they are a successful developer, they certainly deserve to be. I have the utmost respect for them and their game. They have done things for me personally that are simply amazing.

                          With all of that said. I am not really happy for the direction the game is taking. I am happy for all of the new players, I am happy for The Games success, I happy for the Developers. But I am not happy for me. Every year it seems the game gets a little further away from the game I want it to be and thats fine. Thats the way these things work. I will purchase '17 day one but then I think it is time for a break from the yearly cycle. I usually get about 4-5 years of a franchsie done and I rarely carry over becuase The Show always seemed to give me a reason to want to start over. This year with the additions of AI, lighting, models, uniforms, new park for Atlanta, updates for RTTS etc. I will be starting over again.

                          The difference is this time I think its for good. While I still believe The Show is a good product, it is changing into something that does not interest me. Maybe down the road things will change and I hope they do. But I think I can be content with '17 and let time move on without me.

                          Wish you all the best and see you in the ballparks.
                          This is how I feel, I may just stick with OOTP this year, I got bored with the show last year after a couple of months. I am not too optimistic about next year also. Its close to being the perfect mix of sim and gameplay, but DD rules all I guess.

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                          • pirate25
                            Rookie
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 6

                            #133
                            Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                            I rarely ever post, but I've been reading these forums for years in the months leading up to the Show's release date, so I thought I'd drop in my two cents...

                            I would not consider myself a "casual" Show player at all (I have purchased the last 8 games on release day, and I bought a PS3 and then a PS4 exclusively because of the Show). Even so, the addition of Quick Manage is, without any hyperbole, a completely game-changing feature for me.

                            I used to play mostly Franchise with a little RTTS mixed in, but I have fallen away from Franchise the past few years as I have less time to play. To me, the main reward in building a franchise is to develop your prospects and lead your team to sustained success over time as your roster changes. In order to experience this, you need to play multiple seasons. I don't have time to play 162 games in one season, let alone multiple ones, but I also feel a disconnect from the team and players when I just sim and read box scores. For years, I've wished that the Show had this type of quick manage system (similar to what I enjoyed in the MVP game), and I was absolutely thrilled to see it implemented so thoroughly this year.

                            Are there other things I wish were in the game? Of course. Every iteration is different for everyone - some people get the one or two features they really wanted, while others see them as features that they will never use (which is my perspective on Diamond Dynasty). But this is my year to get my most-wanted feature, among a great many other improvements, and amidst some negativity on the forum I just wanted to say thanks to Ramone, Luis, and the entire team for getting me so excited to play Franchise again.

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                            • goillini03
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1247

                              #134
                              Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                              Originally posted by Caulfield
                              What I plan to do over the next few weeks is recommend the Show to as many casual gamers that I know, as many as I can (not that I havent done this in the past) and hope something will spark. This games audience has to grow to greater numbers if us hardcores are going to get more goodies. If sales pick up over the next 2-3 years, hopefully Sony will increase SDS' budget into one that this fantastic team deserves.


                              If the numbers tell them that more casual gamers are playing, will that just lead towards more being dumped into casual modes? Not an actual gain to the hardcore audience.

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                              • Factzzz
                                FA
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 1655

                                #135
                                Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

                                The generated players look soooooo much better. That was one of my main gripes getting into the later years of RTTS.

                                The interleague scheduling not being fixed is a huge bummer, as playing RTTS for the same team your entire career, you literally never play 33% of the teams in the league.

                                That quick manage screen is really nice, if i played franchise, i'd be all over that. I hope that same screen is used when simming in RTTS, without the manager options of course.
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