MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

[Millennium]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

But - why not show both? Pitch count is constantly on the screen in every MLB game now, so like i said, it just seems odd.

I agree, I just mean that if there was a decision to be made as to one or the other I would go with the one that directly affects the game as opposed to the one that is visual only.

[Arty23]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

This is going to be the first year I sit out since '06 debuted. As someone who plays franchise exclusively and is obsessed with realism there's just too many obvious glaring holes that haven't been incorporated that I've been waiting for for years. No non-roster invitees, no posting system, no intentional signing periods, No contract options, half the coaches are still fake, no minor league coaches, can't create players with service time or stats, can't incorporate prospects younger than 18, can't offer extensions, editable draft classes, etc... I can appreciate player quirks and game-skipping options, but I'm just yearning for a realistic GM experience, which has been lacking for going on 5 years now. Russell and Co. I sincerely appreciate the work you put into the game the last 10+ years but with less time to play and other obligations, I'm going to bow out.

[WhiteM5]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

This is going to be the first year I sit out since '06 debuted. As someone who plays franchise exclusively and is obsessed with realism there's just too many obvious glaring holes that haven't been incorporated that I've been waiting for for years. No non-roster invitees, no posting system, no intentional signing periods, No contract options, half the coaches are still fake, no minor league coaches, can't create players with service time or stats, can't incorporate prospects younger than 18, can't offer extensions, editable draft classes, etc... I can appreciate player quirks and game-skipping options, but I'm just yearning for a realistic GM experience, which has been lacking for going on 5 years now. Russell and Co. I sincerely appreciate the work you put into the game the last 10+ years but with less time to play and other obligations, I'm going to bow out.

The ball physics alone should get you excited enough to buy, but to each his own. I suspect you would be happier with something like OOTP baseball.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

So, I wasn't able to finish catching up on this stream until a little while ago. I know I'm late to the party, so I don't want to pile on too much with my own list of disappointments (which won't be much different from others mentioned here), but I think I was surprised at just how much the team went out of their way to push simplicity in the mode.

I mean, I'm all for options and understand why franchise could be daunting to new players and people who maybe don't dig into the minutia of the mode, so I certainly appreciate why they chose to focus on that as well as highlighting ways to play, despite my personal preferences for maybe more in-depth features. Heck, perhaps by doing that now it makes it easier for them to expand on the stuff I really want later. Crawl before you walk, etc, etc.

I just couldn't help but chuckle though at them taking the time to simplify the tab system since people apparently found pressing L1 or R1 to confusing (we now have arrows!). Not meaning to be rude, and kudos to the team for being ever responsive to feedback, but maybe at a certain point the mode's accessibility isn't the issue.

That aside, I do understand the constraints and, given all the other changes on a broader level, it's hard for me to be too down on things. The game is shaping up to be as fantastic as ever, overall. Plus, I do really like quirks and the prospects list, so it's not like I don't get anything out of the changes to the mode either.

So, now my hope for the mode in 17 is that it rolls out much smoother than last year. After the patches (including the late one that added back jersey numbers to the player card) from last year plus minimal core changes this year, I would hope the mode is relatively bug free by comparison to 16.

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

But - in this game why would you ever use pitch count to change a guy instead of energy?

Probably because IRL a manager doesnt have a convenient energy bar to read so that he's sure he got everything he could out of a pitcher. Sometimes managers make a mistake and pull them too early or leave them in too long. I like to replicate that inexactness so I go by pitch count, though it would be more benificial to look at the energy bar. I just dont want an advantage my real life counterpart doesnt enjoy.

[Millennium]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

Probably because IRL a manager doesnt have a convenient energy bar to read so that he's sure he got everything he could out of a pitcher. Sometimes managers make a mistake and pull them too early or leave them in too long. I like to replicate that inexactness so I go by pitch count, though it would be more benificial to look at the energy bar. I just dont want an advantage my real life counterpart doesnt enjoy.

I understand this. That being said your opponent (AI or User) has that advantage.

It's the same with balks - I turn them off because the CPU can't do them.

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[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

I'm honestly tired of making excuses for them. It's not about the size of the team as much as getting the "right" things in. Simplifying the franchise mode is the last thing franchise guys wanted. If I ask my wife to go buy bread and milk at the store and she comes home with eggs and ice cream, is it because she didn't have enough money? Or is it because she maybe wasn't listening when I told her I needed bread and milk.

The problem is the Show is married to more than one man lol
and I'm probably the one who likes his Show with eggs and ice cream not bread and milk
albeit on your dime, sorry 'bout that

[bronxbombers21325]

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I don't understand what all the disappointment is about. Other than interleage games not rotating from year to year, I don't really know what else franchise mode needs. The gameplay should now be close to perfect, which is the main selling point in my opinion. I'd rather have killer gameplay than figuring up how much to charge for a hotdog.

[Caulfield]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

I'd rather have killer gameplay than figuring up how much to charge for a hotdog.

Oh, you can practically give those away at wholesale, the real money to be made is in those fountain drinks

[Bunselpower32]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

Really don't like that guys receive a penatly if they play at night with the day game warrior or whatever. That seems really stupid, because there's no correlation between the two. Just because someone plays better during the day doesn't mean they necessarily play worse at night.

[justin23IU]

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I don't understand what all the disappointment is about. Other than interleage games not rotating from year to year, I don't really know what else franchise mode needs. The gameplay should now be close to perfect, which is the main selling point in my opinion. I'd rather have killer gameplay than figuring up how much to charge for a hotdog.

If you're not sure what more a franchise mode needs, I'd reference you to NBA 2K17's Myleague and MyGm. That will show you what's missing.

*Before I get flamed, I understand the 2K Dev team has many more resources than The Show team. I am not saying I expect the same franchise depth, but simply trying to illustrate just how much is left to be explored in franchise mode.

[PhilliesFan13]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

I was really digesting yesterday's stream and wanted to gather my thoughts and express about where I personally feel The Show is as a full featured, accessible console baseball game and judge it top to bottom. Obviously I can't judge MLB The Show 17 in full, as it has not been released. But I think we all have an excellent idea of what kind of game we are getting in 18 days. Excuse me in advance for going on tangents within this post, because I have so many thoughts and feelings about the game I love more than any other. Not only on the console, but in real life. Baseball has been a part of my life since I was 3 years old. 5-6 days a week I am either coaching, practicing, or playing baseball with my now 12 year old son, and of course relaxing in front of my flat screen in my man cave playing The Show. I live and breath baseball just about everyday of my life. Before my son came into my life I was playing hardball and softball (not as much softball) up until age 40 (men's open hardball leagues on Sunday mornings for a long time). So this is coming from a player and coaching perspective as much as a video game players perspective.


First, let's talk about the state of Major League Baseball today. The game is somewhat in flux in terms of marketing the league to a new generation of fans. I feel like we lost a generation of fans (the people in their 20's and 30's today) to the NFL and NBA. Why? I can't say with any certainty, but the 1994 strike did not help, PED's, and.....

All the talk this off season and now during spring training is how they can speed up the pace of play and make rule changes. And this has been talked about for several years now and it is no coincidence that our beloved video game rendition of the greatest sport on earth has been more streamlined in it's presentation and how games play out. Yes, we don't see every foul ball anymore. Yes we do not see throw backs to the pitcher play out totally. But on the Full Presentation setting I do have plenty of time between pitches to reset myself, think and plan my approach on each pitch. Not as much as before, but it is still viable and not nearly as rushed as some may think. Batter rituals are still in, step out of the box and back in is still there, just not after every pitch.


Why do I talk about presentation right now? Because it directly correlates to the franchise experience. For me personally immersion means a lot and it might mean something different for you. So with that being said one of the biggest wants for me has been a true broadcast presentation package and they have delivered us an MLB Network Presentation package with 2 new color guys in the booth. Not only that, we have two other broadcast themes as well. W also have the greatest feature in franchise mode....Sounds Of The Show. Showtrack is now on a new level during the MLB Broadcast package, not only that we have the very cool radio show while we are in our menu's looking at stats and ratings, trades, potential free agents, training and scouting. So The Show has new ways to play Franchise Mode which speeds up the way you can play games. 162 games is a bear. I know this because in two of my franchises I play every pitch, every inning. I have a franchise I had started back on MLB 14 (1987 Yankees) that is now entering Year 3 on MLB The Show 17.

Speaking of that (again a little tangent here). The year to year save feature IMO is the single most revolutionary feature ever made in sports gaming history. Yep I said it. Seriously, I can't even begin to fathom the amount of blood, sweat and tears that went into coding this (and yes it had some hiccups when player morale was introduced which I hope were solved for files transferring this year to 17). This is has been total money for me and my Classic Roster addiction as well as knowing I can play my franchise at any pace I desire, because I can simply carry it over to the next game and not miss out on the new gameplay improvements and features by abandoning my current franchises which I have grown highly attached to.

So back to the state of Major League Baseball. The attention span of 98% of the people who play MLB The Show is a lot shorter than the 1% of us here at Operation Sports.

Yes folks, and it has been mentioned several times by the outstanding development team at SCEA San Diego. We make up merely 1% of the user base of this franchise.

Yet....yet they interact with us, get feedback from us, and amazingly listen to us. I have seen several tweaks and things added to the game because of our direct feedback with the team. These guys kill themselves to deliver us what I consider an incredible simulation of baseball.

I realize the new Franchise Launch Pad is for newbies. I realize this. But it makes the game far more accessible to new players. And it also cleaned up our menus for us veterans of the game. I love the new clean look of all the franchise menus.

Again the game play on this game is second to none in the sports game industry. It's opinion of course.....but man, I live and breath baseball and played at the collegiate level and can tell you with certainty that the pitcher/batter face offs we get on this game are simply life like.

That is to me the essence of why I play this game. It allows me to feel like I am truly at the dish facing off vs Clayton Kershaw. The game captures that better than any baseball game ever made.

Ever.

So they poured a ton of resources into making that gameplay truly next generation this year by revamping the ball physics. This year is going to be truly special in the realism of how this game plays. The biggest jump we had in that was back on MLB The Show 12 and it has been a slow but steady climb. But this year was the first time they did not have to develop a PS3 game concurrently and they did what I feel was highly logical.

Let's tear the cover off the ball on game play, presentation and appearance of the game. They have a new generation of playstation owners to get into this game so we can keep enjoying it year after year.

Like Major League Baseball they must attract a new generation of game buyers for the survival of the franchise. By simplifying the way you can get into franchise is a huge thing to make sure new players can play this game and enjoy it and not be intimidated.

Yes yes yes......we are the hardcore cult fans of this game. We are the die hard baseball guys who kept stats in notebooks playing baseball stars till 4AM in the morning, We are those guys.

You know what? The game functions really well. And I for one know in my heart that Franchise mode itself will get some more love as we move forward to 18 and 19 and beyond. I am talking about more GM options, 3 team trades, and more added to the ownership/front office aspect of the game. And all it will be able to toggled to auto for the more casual baseball players.


I am sure we can see some more under the hood AI logic improvements moving forward in Franchise Mode. They had to get some big User Interface improvements done as well as faster ways to play for the new generation of baseball fans. Let's be real. Us Gen X guys....we have the patience to play for 2 hours....1 game. Most kids today and younger folks can't sit still for 30 minutes. It's a new world. And baseball has to adapt as well. I don't think it will change to the extreme, but it is changing whether we like it or not.

But the bottom line is this. The Show plays an incredible game of baseball and this years version is far from a roster update. There are so many improvements on the field and in the presentation department that I am looking forward to. Gameplay is always #1 for me. This is not a text sim baseball game like OOTP Baseball, nor will it ever be as deep and as daunting as that game. No way they go in that direction.

But it has more than enough features inside of franchise mode where I am immersed every season. My immersion stems from the way I play on the field. The storylines I create within my franchise. The kids I draft, the players I sign and the games I win and lose. I couple that with incredible visuals, sounds, and of course Sounds Of The Show which is a monster immersion feature and we have a killer game of baseball here.

Yes. I want more like many of you. Yes I want dynamic injuries, rehab assignments, better player regression and progression, the rotating inter-league schedule (but we got our answer on that), international free agents, rain-outs.


But more financial inertia like ticket prices, concession stand prices, merchandise and such? Meh I can take it or leave it and quite frankly I rather development time be put to better use, on making the AI better in gameplay and off the field, then that text based stuff.

Would it be cool to have relocation? Yes of course.

A build your own stadium? I just don't see that happening. That is so niche. Far too small of a niche IMO.

They have limited resources and a smaller development budget, so their Telemetry really tells them a ton. And by the way while I am not a huge fan of focus groups but ton's of money goes into that market research and it works. So if focus groups are telling them the game is too intimidating menu wise and it needs to be streamlined....then they will do it. It's a business. They need to keep their jobs.



So let's talk about a big huge new franchise feature.

With Quick Manage Mode I can now play my minor league games and really dig into some of my prospects and play my definition of critical moments as I see fit inside of quick manage mode. This so called "casual" feature has opened a new world of immersion for me with my minor league system. Something I admittedly rarely played because of time constraints that most of us have here with real life. Now I can see my guys perform in 5 minutes, get a feel for how some prospects are doing, and jump in and play some innings as well without taking up precious time from the big league team.

With Quick Manage Mode and Critical Moments I will now be able play several Classic Roster seasons far more efficiently then in the past. I have so many amazing rosters from this community I have yet to really sink my teeth into....now I can. I never liked Sportcast or just simming games with no input. Now I have it.


Top 50 prospects is a great little add. I love we have that now.

The dedicated player Morale screen is a huge add. I have one place now I can view and sort my entire rosters morale. And player Morale was a big add last season and I loved it. It gave the players more life.

And now we got player quirks which again gives our players personality and I feel far more invested in looking at my bench, and playing matchups and balancing that with morale and my finances.


A huge thank you to the development team once again for focusing on gameplay and presentation. To me that is the heart and soul of any sports game. Because you can have the greatest franchise interface, stat engine, front office feature set in the world, but if the on field gameplay and presentation suck?

You have nothing.

MLB The Show 17 will no doubt be a huge upgrade over 16 and those thinking it's not?

You will miss out. Trust me. The gameplay and visual feast this game will deliver will be second to none once again in sports gaming.

I don't want to come across as an apologist, because there is nothing to apologize about. The game is great. The feature set is robust. No way they can hit everything we want every year. To me this year they hit several major things for many of us. Highly realistic ball physics, ultra realistic player fielding animations, outfield play (humanity AI), catcher play on basestealing and new catcher setups, A true MLB Network presentation package with two new guys in the booth!! I could go on and on. And the modes? Seriously so many ways to play this game:

Franchise Mode
Road To The Show
Diamond Dynasty - online, offline, play your friends, seasons etc
Conquest Mode
Playoff Mode
Season Mode



Oh and did I mention it was baseball?



Peace everyone and enjoy the game!!!

Well said my man.



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[thaSLAB]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

This is going to be the first year I sit out since '06 debuted. As someone who plays franchise exclusively and is obsessed with realism there's just too many obvious glaring holes that haven't been incorporated that I've been waiting for for years. No non-roster invitees, no posting system, no intentional signing periods, No contract options, half the coaches are still fake, no minor league coaches, can't create players with service time or stats, can't incorporate prospects younger than 18, can't offer extensions, editable draft classes, etc... I can appreciate player quirks and game-skipping options, but I'm just yearning for a realistic GM experience, which has been lacking for going on 5 years now. Russell and Co. I sincerely appreciate the work you put into the game the last 10+ years but with less time to play and other obligations, I'm going to bow out.

I was with you until here.

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[thaSLAB]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

Perhaps I am missing something? 2k used inside edge religiously. See franchise game here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s_YVQqmW48.

As stated before, what a guy does in real life in 2017, shouldn't have any influence on what he's doing in your Franchise in 2025.

And based on that thinking then why isn't IE in play now or season mode? I would love to hear explanation from SCEA.

I agree, it should be in Play Now games. Not season mode though, because season works the same as far as being its own unique universe too.

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[tessl]

Re: MLB The Show 17 Twitch Stream - Franchise Mode, HDR Confirmed (Archive Available)

I have two franchise questions:

Does attendance impact revenue?

Do CPU teams get the same money from promotions as the user team? In last year's game I didn't assign promotions because I didn't want to gain an unfair advantage over the cpu teams.