MLB The Show 17 Impressions

[No.27]

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On the back of what WTNY and Armor said I must admit to be a fast forward kind of guy in the past. However this year I find myself even this late in the season watching replays and being amazed how true to life the are. My favourite so far was a game winning double I hit the other night that bounced over the CFs glove as he rushed in trying to prevent runners advancing. I agree best of the series so far.

[thekidisback]

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Server errors are back. Just a heads up.

[BucksInSix]

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Upgraded to a Pro last night, and wow. Buttery smooth gameplay. This, coupled with WTNY, and Teeds Roster has me reinvesting way too many hours back into a 30 Team Chise'.


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[canes21]

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After about 3.5 seasons into this year's show I have to admit that it is easily the worst on this generation of consoles. It just doesn't play as good of a baseball game as the past few editions. If I could carry this franchise back to 16 I would stop playing this game immediately, but as far as I know that isn't possible so I am stuck wanting to play baseball, wanting to keep this franchise alive, but not wanting to play this year's game.

From the terrible defense to the passed ball after passed ball to the total nerfing that directional has gotten I just don't see what I normally expect out of this series. Hopefully they turn it around next year, I don't want to be at the point where I buy no football or baseball games each year, but this year's game followed the Madden trend of getting worse.

[GoDucks1224]

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After about 3.5 seasons into this year's show I have to admit that it is easily the worst on this generation of consoles.

Sadly, I agree. It was much better on release it turns out. The screaming for too many homeruns, which I myself was a part of, ended up being more accurate. They definitely nerfed offense, I find it way harder to string hits together. So many 1-0 games for me. I modified my sliders a bit, and even lowered my difficulty from where I have played for years. Still so many offensive struggles since one of the patches. Can't tell ya exactly when it was. But the change is noticeable. Defensive players seem really lazy. They don't reach out for close balls up the middle or anything anymore. Catchers all have issues with catching the ball. And frankly, there are some fishy things that happen in certain situations that really make me feel like there are some pre determined outcomes. Things that I seem to see pretty routinely. It's a huge disappointment for me this year. The ball new ball physics were great, but that hype wore off pretty quick for me. Emphasis is heavily on DD, the EA plan.

Oh and they still didn't fix the jerseys they said they did. Some of which actually looked improved in the developer streams before release. Also. The Brewers alternate navy blue jersey that says Milwaukee, STILL has an issue with socks being the baby blue color their throwback has. Sure, I just have to change the pants. But it's pretty silly.


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[bcruise]

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I will NEVER agree that the power or physics didn't need to be toned down. I was regularly hitting HR's longer than 440 feet at launch with even mid-tier power guys, which is ridiculous. Under manipulated conditions (but not edited ratings), I hit a 675 foot HR with Kyle Schwarber - that shouldn't be possible with anything I can do. The physics were just messed up at launch, and nothing will convince me otherwise. There were two HUGE threads about people noticing this (both in distance AND quantity) - was all of that supposed to be invalid?

I don't know why some people can't hit now. I hit around .250 online which doesn't seem too bad considering I play DD and face nothing but diamond pitchers (plus I walk a lot which knocks the avg. down some). If anything I feel like there are some things that are too easy about hitting, particularly the ease of hitting the ball to the opposite field even on inside pitches. But it's kind of tough for the devs to do anything about that when half the playerbase complains about not being able to hit.

None of that affects how I feel about offline play though. It's the best version of the game I've played there and it's not even close. The game runs butter smooth compared to last year's choppiness at times (granted I am on a Pro now but I played 16 on this same system in boost mode and it still wasn't close), Showtrack and the MLB Network are great additions, and I'm still surprised by some of the hit physics and fielding animations. What some people call "lazy" defending looks smooth and natural to me, and the plays that need to made are still being made. Does it really matter if a guy was out by by a step instead of 10 feet at first? Rarely have I gotten locked into an animation that I feel like cost me the chance to make a play.

The only real fielding problem I have (since the WP's got toned down) is that sometimes an infielder won't react to a ball looped over their head. Whether they should be able to make a play on it is irrelevant - they need to at least be able to break toward the ball on contact and look like they're trying.

Just putting my thoughts out there because quite frankly it's frustrating to read some of the recent opinions here. It's so far removed from my experience that I feel like I need to comment.

[GoDucks1224]

MLB The Show 17 Impressions

I will NEVER agree that the power or physics didn't need to be toned down. I was regularly hitting HR's longer than 440 feet at launch with even mid-tier power guys, which is ridiculous. Under manipulated conditions (but not edited ratings), I hit a 675 foot HR with Kyle Schwarber - that shouldn't be possible with anything I can do. The physics were just messed up at launch, and nothing will convince me otherwise. There were two HUGE threads about people noticing this (both in distance AND quantity) - was all of that supposed to be invalid?

I don't know why some people can't hit now. I hit around .250 online which doesn't seem too bad considering I play DD and face nothing but diamond pitchers (plus I walk a lot which knocks the avg. down some). If anything I feel like there are some things that are too easy about hitting, particularly the ease of hitting the ball to the opposite field even on inside pitches. But it's kind of tough for the devs to do anything about that when half the playerbase complains about not being able to hit.

None of that affects how I feel about offline play though. It's the best version of the game I've played there and it's not even close. The game runs butter smooth compared to last year's choppiness at times (granted I am on a Pro now but I played 16 on this same system in boost mode and it still wasn't close), Showtrack and the MLB Network are great additions, and I'm still surprised by some of the hit physics and fielding animations. What some people call "lazy" defending looks smooth and natural to me, and the plays that need to made are still being made. Does it really matter if a guy was out by by a step instead of 10 feet at first? Rarely have I gotten locked into an animation that I feel like cost me the chance to make a play.

The only real fielding problem I have (since the WP's got toned down) is that sometimes an infielder won't react to a ball looped over their head. Whether they should be able to make a play on it is irrelevant - they need to at least be able to break toward the ball on contact and look like they're trying.

Just putting my thoughts out there because quite frankly it's frustrating to read some of the recent opinions here. It's so far removed from my experience that I feel like I need to comment.

That distance of homerun, sure. But the amount? Not anymore. We're on pace in real life to beat last year's record which demolished the previous records. Homers are way way up. ERA is way way up. Thats our reality.

I don't play DD. But I just find it a lot harder post patches to string hits together and actually score runs. I'll average 6-8 hits a game, but getting two in the same inning is rare.

The lazy defending I'm referring to isn't the humanity AI, where they casually throw guys out. I'm referring to when a ball rolls up the middle and a guy could clearly get to it if he just stuck his arm out, but instead he does that casual animation where he just concedes he won't get to it and turns up field and stands still waiting for the outfielder to throw it in. And other things of that sort. Locked animations.

Also, the annoying glitch where guys on second dive into third on hits they could easily score on, and then can't get up, is so annoying. Countless times I've been robbed of runs because they dive into third. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with baserunning aggressiveness either.

Obviously the presentation updates are nice. I'm not arguing that.

I'm glad you're enjoying it. But I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as last year. It has issues that really bother me.


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[WaitTilNextYear]

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I don't begrudge anyone for their impressions about the game, positive or negative--by its nature this is an opinionative sort of thing--but I find it interesting how divergent peoples' opinions are on the exact same game.

[canes21]

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That distance of homerun, sure. But the amount? Not anymore. We're on pace in real life to beat last year's record which demolished the previous records. Homers are way way up. ERA is way way up. Thats our reality.

I don't play DD. But I just find it a lot harder post patches to string hits together and actually score runs. I'll average 6-8 hits a game, but getting two in the same inning is rare.

The lazy defending I'm referring to isn't the humanity AI, where they casually throw guys out. I'm referring to when a ball rolls up the middle and a guy could clearly get to it if he just stuck his arm out, but instead he does that casual animation where he just concedes he won't get to it and turns up field and stands still waiting for the outfielder to throw it in. And other things of that sort. Locked animations.

Also, the annoying glitch where guys on second dive into third on hits they could easily score on, and then can't get up, is so annoying. Countless times I've been robbed of runs because they dive into third. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with baserunning aggressiveness either.

Obviously the presentation updates are nice. I'm not arguing that.

I'm glad you're enjoying it. But I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as last year. It has issues that really bother me.


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It's fielding issues like this that I see every single time I play this game.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousSeductiveGrassKappaRoss

That combined with the passed ball issue is just too frustrating. Or plays like this next one where there should be a play at the plate, likely an out, but the animations in this game are still struggling to branch or bring urgency at appropriate times.

https://clips.twitch.tv/RelentlessStupidPheasantImGlitch

When I see issues like this daily with this game, it's hard for me to not find it worse than the previous editions when they didn't suffer from the issues as much. The Show for years has lacked urgency and decent branching on the defensive side for years, but we put up with it. They claimed to have fixed it this year or last, but there isn't much of a difference. You're better of hitting a grounder to the pitcher over driving it through the infield somewhere because pitcher fielding animations are still absolutely awful even at best.

The players in this game do not field like athletes and that is a HUGE issue.

EDIT: I forgot a whole heap of other issues like whatever they did to bunting. You can't bunt for a hit to save your life, not at a realistic rate at least. Anytime the defense plays back against my speed guys I will try and sneak a bunt in for a hit and it's always hit so hard that the bunt is fielding on the dirt and I'm thrown out by 5 steps. That should never happen. Bunts do not come off of the bat at 64 mph! That's ridiculous.

I also dislike how much they've messed with the ball curve physics since the release. They completely broke the ball finding the corner. Once the balls touches the ground it loses all spin and will not roll at any curved angle towards the wall. At release the ball may have spun too much at times, but at least grounders pulled down the line would find their way into foul territory. Now they look as bad as past games in the series where it take the first bounce and is on a straight path to the wall. It looks so unnatural. At least balls in the air will still curve in and out of play, but losing spin on ground balls is huge in baseball.

[bcruise]

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It's fielding issues like this that I see every single time I play this game.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CuriousSeductiveGrassKappaRoss

That combined with the passed ball issue is just too frustrating. Or plays like this next one where there should be a play at the plate, likely an out, but the animations in this game are still struggling to branch or bring urgency at appropriate times.

https://clips.twitch.tv/RelentlessStupidPheasantImGlitch

When I see issues like this daily with this game, it's hard for me to not find it worse than the previous editions when they didn't suffer from the issues as much. The Show for years has lacked urgency and decent branching on the defensive side for years, but we put up with it. They claimed to have fixed it this year or last, but there isn't much of a difference. You're better of hitting a grounder to the pitcher over driving it through the infield somewhere because pitcher fielding animations are still absolutely awful even at best.

The players in this game do not field like athletes and that is a HUGE issue.

The first clip is more or less what I acknowledged in my post above, only it happened on the ground instead of being looped over the infield (which is something I can't claim to have seen before). I agree that fielders not even reacting sometimes is a problem.

I just don't see plays like the 2nd one happen in my games - that's all I can say. You have the throwing meter turned off I take it? (not that that influences the play's outcome)

It would have had to have been a very quick preload to avoid getting stuck in "throw ready" position on a play like that.

[canes21]

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The first clip is more or less what I acknowledged in my post above, only it happened on the ground instead of being looped over the infield (which is something I can't claim to have seen before). I agree that fielders not even reacting sometimes is a problem.

I just don't see plays like the 2nd one happen in my games - that's all I can say. You have the throwing meter turned off I take it? (not that that influences the play's outcome)

I play whatever the method is called where you only press the button for the base and the strength is dictated by the game/fielder itself so there is no meter for me regardless.

[bcruise]

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I play whatever the method is called where you only press the button for the base and the strength is dictated by the game/fielder itself so there is no meter for me regardless.

That's "Buttons", and there is still a meter (of sorts) unless you turn it to "off" or "no feedback". It's a series of blue arrows that gets longer the longer you hold the throw button down.

If I'm correct, you're also using auto fielding because I don't see the halo on the fielder. That still shouldn't stop the throw meter/feedback from showing up IF it's turned on.

[canes21]

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That's "Buttons", and there is still a meter (of sorts) unless you turn it to "off" or "no feedback". It's a series of blue arrows that gets longer the longer you hold the throw button down.

If I'm correct, you're also using auto fielding because I don't see the halo on the fielder. That still shouldn't stop the throw meter/feedback from showing up IF it's turned on.

Yes to auto fielding and I do have meter turned off.

[Padgoi]

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I use manual fielding with the button meter and I see fielding issues like the ones posted above on a constant basis.

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[citybythebay85]

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I hope this has been posted already, but Harold Reynolds talks WAYYYYY too much. His rants go on FOR....EH....VER.

SHUT UP HAROLD!!! Try ONE sentence at a time!!!