MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[MrSerendipity]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

It's 2018 and my Diamondbacks are sitting at 34-47 on June 28th. Lineup is looking as follows:

CF - V. Robles - .255 AVG, 6 HR, 22 RBI
SS - B. Drury - .261 AVG. 4 HR, 14 RBI
RF - D. Peralta - .267 AVG, 14 HR, 38 RBI
3B - J. Lamb - .256 AVG, 9 HR, 35 RBI
1B - M. Gonzalez - .262 AVG, 3 HR, 22 RBI
LF - Y. Tomas - .286 AVG, 16 HR, 47 RBI
2B - I. Happ - .284 AVG, 13 HR, 30 RBI
C - O. Hernandez - .244 AVG, 6 HR, 11 RBI

Bench:
1B - Mitch Moreland
LF - Heremy Hazelbaker
SS - Chris Owings
C - Spencer Kieboom

SP - R. Ray - 4.03 ERA | 4-7 | 89.1 IP | 1.49 WHIP
SP - S. Miller - 3.23 ERA | 4-8 | 94.2 IP | 1.28 WHIP
SP - P. Corbin - 3.41 ERA | 6-3 | 84.2 IP | 1.32 WHIP
SP - A. Bradley - 4.65 ERA | 3-8 | 81.1 IP | 1.38 WHIP
SP - E. Fedde - 3.97 ERA | 6-6 | 81.2 IP | 1.48 WHIP

Everyone in bold is on the block. Happ and Robles are both having good outings for me with Happ being a clear front-runner for ROTY. I like Hernandez but I dealt for Kieboom who has been serviceable (.240 AVG) and I also drafted a god-like 18 year old Catcher (71 OVR | High B) in 2017. I mistakenly allowed said catcher to be called up when Kieboom was hurt so he's already logged some service time. I plan on bringing him up in 2019 so I'm going to make Hernandez available. I can't stand batting with Lamb and with Yamada and Urena sitting in the minors right now, I think I have plenty of options in Lugo, Drury, Gonzalez and Owings at 3rd. Tomas is another guy I don't like hitting with and I think I have real value there with his performance so far. I have P.J. Crow and Alex Verdugo who are both ready to be called up so that makes both Tomas and Peralta available, even though I do enjoy playing with Peralta and his team-friendly deal.

Pitching wise, I feel really confident with my young talent. I have Fedde already in the rotation, Banda ready for a call-up, Reid-Foley ready for a call-up and Weiss (2017 Draftee | 67 Ovr| 20 Yr Old | A Pot) who will serve as the future of my rotation. I also have another 2017 draft pick in Jordan Casey who is 19, 62 OVR with A Potential that is only two-three years away. Thus, I'm very motivated to move these MLB arms while they still have some value.

My key goal is to get a young first baseman with good potential (despite drafting a great one in 2018), young bullpen arms as that is what I seriously lack right now and a few serviceable outfield/infield pieces. Here is what I'm considering, let me know if I'm off:

NYY Receives (41-39 | 4.5 GB)
Jake Lamb (27yr | B Pot | 81 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Dillon Tate (23yr | B Pot | 60 Ovr)

Jake Cave (24yr | C Pot | 66 Ovr)
or
Aaron Hicks (28yr | C Pot | 79 Ovr)

(Transaction Note: NYY signed McCutchen in FA | Judge is current 4th OF)




HOU Receives (45-35 | 2.5 GB)
Yasmany Tomas (27yr | B Pot | 82 Ovr)
Shelby Miller (27yr | B Pot| 80 Ovr) (Would Substitute Ray)
Socrates Brito

ARI Receives
Francis Martes (21yr | A Pot | 73 Ovr)

(Note: HOU acquired Jake Odorizzi at 2017 Deadline, having a terrible 2018)



CWS Receives (32-47 | 6.5 GB)
Oscar Hernandez (24yr | C Pot | 75 Ovr)
Matt Koch (27yr | B Pot | 60 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Carson Fulmer (24yr | A Pot | 58 Ovr)




TB Receives (42-35 | 2 GB)
David Peralta (30yr | C Pot | 82 Ovr)
Socrates Brito (25yr | B Pot | 66 Ovr)
Archie Bradley (25yr | A Pot | 76 Ovr)
Fritz Oakes (19yr | B Ovr | 60 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Jake Bauers (22yr | B Pot | 73 Ovr)
Brady Rodgers (27yr | B Pot | 68 Ovr)
Teoscar Hernandez (25yr | B Pot | 70 Ovr)

(Transaction Note: Rodgers/Hernandez acquired from HOU for Odorizzi 2017)

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

It's 2018 and my Diamondbacks are sitting at 34-47 on June 28th. Lineup is looking as follows:

CF - V. Robles - .255 AVG, 6 HR, 22 RBI
SS - B. Drury - .261 AVG. 4 HR, 14 RBI
RF - D. Peralta - .267 AVG, 14 HR, 38 RBI
3B - J. Lamb - .256 AVG, 9 HR, 35 RBI
1B - M. Gonzalez - .262 AVG, 3 HR, 22 RBI
LF - Y. Tomas - .286 AVG, 16 HR, 47 RBI
2B - I. Happ - .284 AVG, 13 HR, 30 RBI
C - O. Hernandez - .244 AVG, 6 HR, 11 RBI

Bench:
1B - Mitch Moreland
LF - Heremy Hazelbaker
SS - Chris Owings
C - Spencer Kieboom

SP - R. Ray - 4.03 ERA | 4-7 | 89.1 IP | 1.49 WHIP
SP - S. Miller - 3.23 ERA | 4-8 | 94.2 IP | 1.28 WHIP
SP - P. Corbin - 3.41 ERA | 6-3 | 84.2 IP | 1.32 WHIP
SP - A. Bradley - 4.65 ERA | 3-8 | 81.1 IP | 1.38 WHIP
SP - E. Fedde - 3.97 ERA | 6-6 | 81.2 IP | 1.48 WHIP

Everyone in bold is on the block. Happ and Robles are both having good outings for me with Happ being a clear front-runner for ROTY. I like Hernandez but I dealt for Kieboom who has been serviceable (.240 AVG) and I also drafted a god-like 18 year old Catcher (71 OVR | High B) in 2017. I mistakenly allowed said catcher to be called up when Kieboom was hurt so he's already logged some service time. I plan on bringing him up in 2019 so I'm going to make Hernandez available. I can't stand batting with Lamb and with Yamada and Urena sitting in the minors right now, I think I have plenty of options in Lugo, Drury, Gonzalez and Owings at 3rd. Tomas is another guy I don't like hitting with and I think I have real value there with his performance so far. I have P.J. Crow and Alex Verdugo who are both ready to be called up so that makes both Tomas and Peralta available, even though I do enjoy playing with Peralta and his team-friendly deal.

Pitching wise, I feel really confident with my young talent. I have Fedde already in the rotation, Banda ready for a call-up, Reid-Foley ready for a call-up and Weiss (2017 Draftee | 67 Ovr| 20 Yr Old | A Pot) who will serve as the future of my rotation. I also have another 2017 draft pick in Jordan Casey who is 19, 62 OVR with A Potential that is only two-three years away. Thus, I'm very motivated to move these MLB arms while they still have some value.

My key goal is to get a young first baseman with good potential (despite drafting a great one in 2018), young bullpen arms as that is what I seriously lack right now and a few serviceable outfield/infield pieces. Here is what I'm considering, let me know if I'm off:

NYY Receives (41-39 | 4.5 GB)
Jake Lamb (27yr | B Pot | 81 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Dillon Tate (23yr | B Pot | 60 Ovr)

Jake Cave (24yr | C Pot | 66 Ovr)
or
Aaron Hicks (28yr | C Pot | 79 Ovr)

(Transaction Note: NYY signed McCutchen in FA | Judge is current 4th OF)




HOU Receives (45-35 | 2.5 GB)
Yasmany Tomas (27yr | B Pot | 82 Ovr)
Shelby Miller (27yr | B Pot| 80 Ovr) (Would Substitute Ray)
Socrates Brito

ARI Receives
Francis Martes (21yr | A Pot | 73 Ovr)

(Note: HOU acquired Jake Odorizzi at 2017 Deadline, having a terrible 2018)



CWS Receives (32-47 | 6.5 GB)
Oscar Hernandez (24yr | C Pot | 75 Ovr)
Matt Koch (27yr | B Pot | 60 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Carson Fulmer (24yr | A Pot | 58 Ovr)




TB Receives (42-35 | 2 GB)
David Peralta (30yr | C Pot | 82 Ovr)
Socrates Brito (25yr | B Pot | 66 Ovr)
Archie Bradley (25yr | A Pot | 76 Ovr)
Fritz Oakes (19yr | B Ovr | 60 Ovr)

ARI Receives
Jake Bauers (22yr | B Pot | 73 Ovr)
Brady Rodgers (27yr | B Pot | 68 Ovr)
Teoscar Hernandez (25yr | B Pot | 70 Ovr)

(Transaction Note: Rodgers/Hernandez acquired from HOU for Odorizzi 2017)

New York deal feels mostly okay. I think it should be Tate and Andujar for Lamb. Andujar gives the Dbacks a 3B of the future and Tate is a likely bullpen arm.

Houston Deal There's no way they give you Martes for Shelby Miller, Yasmany Tomas and Socrates Brito. Brito is a 4th/5th OF type. Tomas has OBP skills like Matt Kemp and just as bad defense. Miller has really seen his star dim over the last few years. If the Astros give up Martes is will be for an impact starter

White Sox Deal What about Koch or Hernandez would entice the Sox to give up one of their young pitching prospects? Hernandez is a poor hitting catcher. The White Sox have plenty of those and Zack Collins on his way. Matt Koch has the look of a reliever who doesn't strike anyone out. I can't see the Sox doing this deal.

Tampa Bay Deal Do the Rays still have Souza, KK, Dickerson and Mallex Smith? If so, where do they play David Peralta? Peralta is on the wrong side of 30 here. Even with that, Archie Bradley may be enough to get the Rays to agree to this.

I have been looking at acquiring Chirinos for my Twins chise but I started to look at Zunino. What would it take to get Zunino if possible

Zunino is going to be far more expensive than Chirinos. He's an elite defensive catcher that has legit power if he can figure it out. I don't know that Seattle would want to move him unless you overpaid

[MrSerendipity]

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I'm going to break this up, transaction by transaction.

New York deal feels mostly okay. I think it should be Tate and Andujar for Lamb. Andujar gives the Dbacks a 3B of the future and Tate is a likely bullpen arm.

I'm good with bringing Andujar over in the deal. Obviously it just benefits me. Long term I like Carter Kieboom in the role but I suppose whoever reaches their potential will earn the spot.

Houston Deal There's no way they give you Martes for Shelby Miller, Yasmany Tomas and Socrates Brito. Brito is a 4th/5th OF type. Tomas has OBP skills like Matt Kemp and just as bad defense. Miller has really seen his star dim over the last few years. If the Astros give up Martes is will be for an impact starter.

Does swapping out Miller with Ray or Bradley make this deal more attractive? Tomas has been batting really well and Houston's third outfielder is Preston Tucker. Tomas seems like an upgrade but if you really don't like him for this deal, I understand.

White Sox Deal What about Koch or Hernandez would entice the Sox to give up one of their young pitching prospects? Hernandez is a poor hitting catcher. The White Sox have plenty of those and Zack Collins on his way. Matt Koch has the look of a reliever who doesn't strike anyone out. I can't see the Sox doing this deal.

Outside of Collins, Chicago is blank at Catcher. They have Soto, who is 35 and experiencing an average of -3 in every attribute. He'll likely retire or move on after this year. Hernandez could serve as a backup catcher to Collins or a permanent option until they're ready to bring Collins up. I know Fulmer has good value, this was my iffiest trade. I just know he hasn't touched the majors in a year and a half in my franchise.

How about a deal with the Braves? They drafted (2017) a RP at age 18 with a 64 OVR but D Pot. Can I swing that?

Tampa Bay Deal Do the Rays still have Souza, KK, Dickerson and Mallex Smith? If so, where do they play David Peralta? Peralta is on the wrong side of 30 here. Even with that, Archie Bradley may be enough to get the Rays to agree to this.

They do have each of those guys still. With that said, Souza is batting .198 through 66 games. He's also looking at a -2 in both contacts and a -6 in RHP power. He's seeing drops in speed, stealing and discipline as well. (I know that is difficult to work into a realism trade) Kiermaier is also struggling with a .231 Avg, despite still being a Star. Is Peralta on the wrong side of 30, sure. But he also has a team friendly deal, which would surely appeal to TB. He is also batting better than each of their outfielders with a .267 AVG, 14 HR and 38 RBI. He's coming off of a 2017 season with a .276 Avg, 20 HR and 55 RBI. That said, I'd be willing to use Tomas (as it seems the HOU trade can't be done) here as well. I prefer using Peralta to Tomas when I'm playing.

[Tmizzle]

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Zunino is going to be far more expensive than Chirinos. He's an elite defensive catcher that has legit power if he can figure it out. I don't know that Seattle would want to move him unless you overpaid[/QUOTE]

I figured that. They hatch Haniger on the block as well. Buxton is about to get demoted since hes been so bad for me. Berry has been a nice find.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Zunino is going to be far more expensive than Chirinos. He's an elite defensive catcher that has legit power if he can figure it out. I don't know that Seattle would want to move him unless you overpaid

I figured that. They hatch Haniger on the block as well. Buxton is about to get demoted since hes been so bad for me. Berry has been a nice find.[/QUOTE]

If you're willing to trade Buxton you could get both Haniger and Zunino IMO. Might have to give them back a catcher somewhere maybe John Ryan Murphy.

See what others think in here, but that seems possible to me

[Tmizzle]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Didn't really thin about trading Buxton but that could be a possibility once Santana comes off the DL.

[llober33]

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I just started up a brewers franchise with the OSFM rosters and would like to trade braun by the trade deadline or earlier depending on how he's doing. Any ideas on some realistic trades on who i could get for him?


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[hampshirestags]

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I figured that. They hatch Haniger on the block as well. Buxton is about to get demoted since hes been so bad for me. Berry has been a nice find.

If you're willing to trade Buxton you could get both Haniger and Zunino IMO. Might have to give them back a catcher somewhere maybe John Ryan Murphy.

See what others think in here, but that seems possible to me[/QUOTE]

I've looked at this twice and just can't make a case why either team would do this. Seattle just DFA'd speed and glove and if Buxton simply can't hit at the big league level (though I want to see 1000 AB's before I say that) then why would I trade for him, regardless of the package?

I didn't read too far back but did Castro break or something?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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If you're willing to trade Buxton you could get both Haniger and Zunino IMO. Might have to give them back a catcher somewhere maybe John Ryan Murphy.

See what others think in here, but that seems possible to me

I've looked at this twice and just can't make a case why either team would do this. Seattle just DFA'd speed and glove and if Buxton simply can't hit at the big league level (though I want to see 1000 AB's before I say that) then why would I trade for him, regardless of the package?

I didn't read too far back but did Castro break or something?[/QUOTE]
I think he just doesnt like hitting with Castro. It doesn't make much sense for realism

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[hampshirestags]

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Would TJ House or Brett Oberholtzer for Paulo Orlando be fair? KC is looking for SP depth and have lots in The OF.

Orlando is hitting .278/.321/.403 with 12 RBI and 1 SB/2 HR. 72 at bats.

House is currently in AAA 3.45 ERA, 1.21 whip, 10Ks in 15.2 innings.

Oberholtzer also in AAA has a 2.13 era, 1.66 whip and 8Ks in 12.2 innings.

I could also add a lower C infielder like Gunnar Heidt, Cavan Biggio or Christian Lopes if it would push the needle.


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Give them both. It's no skin off your nose (Oberholtzer couldn't even stick with PHI and House isn't exactly lighting it up) and Orlando just got sent down...though you can't teach speed. Normally I'd ask for a bit more but Orlando is pushing 32 so (no offense to any of the players involved) it's a junk swap for need.

[Mattchu12]

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New York deal feels mostly okay. I think it should be Tate and Andujar for Lamb. Andujar gives the Dbacks a 3B of the future and Tate is a likely bullpen arm.

Houston Deal There's no way they give you Martes for Shelby Miller, Yasmany Tomas and Socrates Brito. Brito is a 4th/5th OF type. Tomas has OBP skills like Matt Kemp and just as bad defense. Miller has really seen his star dim over the last few years. If the Astros give up Martes is will be for an impact starter

White Sox Deal What about Koch or Hernandez would entice the Sox to give up one of their young pitching prospects? Hernandez is a poor hitting catcher. The White Sox have plenty of those and Zack Collins on his way. Matt Koch has the look of a reliever who doesn't strike anyone out. I can't see the Sox doing this deal.

Tampa Bay Deal Do the Rays still have Souza, KK, Dickerson and Mallex Smith? If so, where do they play David Peralta? Peralta is on the wrong side of 30 here. Even with that, Archie Bradley may be enough to get the Rays to agree to this.


Zunino is going to be far more expensive than Chirinos. He's an elite defensive catcher that has legit power if he can figure it out. I don't know that Seattle would want to move him unless you overpaid

As a Yankee fan, I would be over the moon for that trade, so it can't possibly be enough. I'd drive them both the airport with a grin all over my face. Gotta think Lamb costs way more than that. Can I be that low on my guys? Tate bought Beltran and Andujar has no stand out skill or big year.

[MrSerendipity]

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As a Yankee fan, I would be over the moon for that trade, so it can't possibly be enough. I'd drive them both the airport with a grin all over my face. Gotta think Lamb costs way more than that. Can I be that low on my guys? Tate bought Beltran and Andujar has no stand out skill or big year.

I still feel like an OF piece should be included but I don't really argue when Gamecock and Hampshire chime in. They really know their stuff.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I still feel like an OF piece should be included but I don't really argue when Gamecock and Hampshire chime in. They really know their stuff.

If you'd rather OF sub in Fowler where I said Andujar

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[Mattchu12]

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Shows what I know. I would have thought at least a top 5 guy plus a top ten guy. Basically your favorite prospect not named Torres plus another good piece. Guess I'm just high on Lamb.

[hampshirestags]

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I still feel like an OF piece should be included but I don't really argue when Gamecock and Hampshire chime in. They really know their stuff.

I don't know about Gamecock but I guess...a lot. I'll say this about your latest attempt to retool the Diamondbacks...it feels like you didn't fire anybody in the ARZ front office. Honestly, I don't like any of your deals. Not the least of which you're looking to trade almost half your MLB roster the year after you traded your star, stud and Cy Young contender.

I like Tate and Andujar. You have 2 guys that have a real shot at being decent ball players. However, I think you're crazy for trading Lamb. Cost controlled 3B studs in the NL go Bryant, Lamb and...who?

Also, didn't I read that R.Ray won you 16 games last year? He's not a FA until '21 and apparently your whole team is stinking up the joint...why are we looking to move him? Sure A.Bradley moves the needle for most anybody but TB has 4-5 guys ready to come up and show they can/can't make it (not counting what they got/will get from Archer), you're not getting their athletes for him.

Ok, I've beat you up enough. Do me a favor and get a solid save on what you have and then sim the rest of the season. PM me where you are at that point and lets see if these guys can win some ball games given the chance to play together. You and I spent almost a whole Sunday putting this team together, I want to see what they can do!

P.S. I'm not a Peralta fan but I hear ya that you don't like Tomas swing. We can probably move one of those guys to give Verdugo some AB's but not at the price you're looking to sell. Also, young/exciting bullpen arms come from the farm, trading for them is extremely expensive...I'll be blown away shocked if you can't find a couple in the FA market for the '19 season that will fit your needs.