MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[pjburrage]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I'm currently at the Trade Deadline in 2018 with the Cardinals (SCEA Roster from last week), I lead the NL Central by 4.5 games with a record of 63-41. The one position I am weak in is 3B - only have a 24 year old James Livingston 67 Overall with A Potential who I picked up in the Rule 5 draft. Also have a 96 potential guy I drafted in the 2018 draft, but is a few years off. During the first half of the season I had been using a combination of Andrew Poirier (SS - 71 OVR - D potential) and Jose Encarnacion (2B - 72 OVR - A potential) to play that spot, but given a combination of factors - leading the division & looking good doing so, and Kolton Wong getting a broken ankle, meaning I'll need one of those two at 2B - I feel I need to upgrade that position to push towards sealing that division title.

Nolan Arenado has been on and off the Trading Block in the past month (not on there at 31st July, but his price would probably be too much. But the Twins (41-63) have put Miguel Sano on the block, now I can get him for the following deal:

35 year old Yadier Molina - C - 77 OVR, 29 year old Kevin Maris - SS - 63 OVR (A Potential), 27 year old Stephen Pischotty - RF - 81 OVR for 24 year old Miguel Sano - 3B - 81 OVR.

Twins current best in each position is:
Catcher: Jason Castro 30 years old, C Potential, 72 Overall (no real prospects either)
Short Stop: Ruben Tejeda 28 years old, C Potential, 69 Overall - have a 20 year old B potential with 67 overall as a prospect
Outfield: Byron Buxton (CF) 24 years old, A Potential, 76 Overall - have 2 other outfield prospects in the Top 50 - a 20 year old A potential CF @ 68 Overall, and a 19 year old B potential LF @ 67 overall - plus another B potential LF @ 68 overall

I have at the positions I'm trading away:
Catcher: Eric Pineda 19 year old Rookie, B potential, 74 overall (has mid 80s in Blocking and Reaction)
Short Stop: Aledmys Diaz 27 year old, B potential, 83 overall - plus just drafted a 78 potential 19 year old
Outfield: Have 3 guys rated 80+ overall (including a young superstar CAP of myself), and a host of B potential guys coming through

Now I'm wanting to get rid of Molina's contract (especially with Pineda coming up behind him), he'll be on 8.5m next year and I've got a couple of highly rated players I need to resign in the offseason - Wacha, Rosenthal and the aforementioned CAP.

Now is the deal I'm offering fair, I don't want to 'game' the CPU manager of the Twins. For me it seems like they are trading away one guy to get a veteran guy for a year or two, an outfielder entering his prime, and a shortstop project that might be serviceable in a few years. While I'm upgrading a position of need right now without hurting myself down the line by giving up the farm.

[kenp86]

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I'm currently at the Trade Deadline in 2018 with the Cardinals (SCEA Roster from last week), I lead the NL Central by 4.5 games with a record of 63-41. The one position I am weak in is 3B - only have a 24 year old James Livingston 67 Overall with A Potential who I picked up in the Rule 5 draft. Also have a 96 potential guy I drafted in the 2018 draft, but is a few years off. During the first half of the season I had been using a combination of Andrew Poirier (SS - 71 OVR - D potential) and Jose Encarnacion (2B - 72 OVR - A potential) to play that spot, but given a combination of factors - leading the division & looking good doing so, and Kolton Wong getting a broken ankle, meaning I'll need one of those two at 2B - I feel I need to upgrade that position to push towards sealing that division title.

Nolan Arenado has been on and off the Trading Block in the past month (not on there at 31st July, but his price would probably be too much. But the Twins (41-63) have put Miguel Sano on the block, now I can get him for the following deal:

35 year old Yadier Molina - C - 77 OVR, 29 year old Kevin Maris - SS - 63 OVR (A Potential), 27 year old Stephen Pischotty - RF - 81 OVR for 24 year old Miguel Sano - 3B - 81 OVR.

Twins current best in each position is:
Catcher: Jason Castro 30 years old, C Potential, 72 Overall (no real prospects either)
Short Stop: Ruben Tejeda 28 years old, C Potential, 69 Overall - have a 20 year old B potential with 67 overall as a prospect
Outfield: Byron Buxton (CF) 24 years old, A Potential, 76 Overall - have 2 other outfield prospects in the Top 50 - a 20 year old A potential CF @ 68 Overall, and a 19 year old B potential LF @ 67 overall - plus another B potential LF @ 68 overall

I have at the positions I'm trading away:
Catcher: Eric Pineda 19 year old Rookie, B potential, 74 overall (has mid 80s in Blocking and Reaction)
Short Stop: Aledmys Diaz 27 year old, B potential, 83 overall - plus just drafted a 78 potential 19 year old
Outfield: Have 3 guys rated 80+ overall (including a young superstar CAP of myself), and a host of B potential guys coming through

Now I'm wanting to get rid of Molina's contract (especially with Pineda coming up behind him), he'll be on 8.5m next year and I've got a couple of highly rated players I need to resign in the offseason - Wacha, Rosenthal and the aforementioned CAP.

Now is the deal I'm offering fair, I don't want to 'game' the CPU manager of the Twins. For me it seems like they are trading away one guy to get a veteran guy for a year or two, an outfielder entering his prime, and a shortstop project that might be serviceable in a few years. While I'm upgrading a position of need right now without hurting myself down the line by giving up the farm.

Why would the Twins, who are bad and rebuiding trade away their best player in Sano for an old and done yadier and scrap parts?

[pjburrage]

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Why would the Twins, who are bad and rebuiding trade away their best player in Sano for an old and done yadier and scrap parts?

That's why I'm wary of offering such a deal. He is batting at .213 this season, and they have a Rookie 3B in their 25-man who is batting at .288 who also is rated better at Fielding (87 v Sano's 70), Reaction (71 v 67), Contact v RHP (62 v 59), & Vision (60 v 23), seems only Sano's power and arm are putting him above this guy (their LHP contact is 76 for Sano and 71 for the rookie).

Not sure if his morale being at Angry would be a factor too.

Could swap out Molina for Carson Kelly (B potential 70 overall) and get the deal done too.

[brandonholmes]

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I'm looking ahead to the deadline so I don't have stats yet, but assuming things are going like real life... The Nationals need a closer and are competing, and I'm re-building my Blue Jays.

Does Roberto Osuna get me Erick Feede?

We've talked about this before and yes he does, with a small plus.

[holden57]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I'm looking ahead to the deadline so I don't have stats yet, but assuming things are going like real life... The Nationals need a closer and are competing, and I'm re-building my Blue Jays.

Does Roberto Osuna get me Erick Feede?

Sorry to double post/quote myself, but I've already simulated to the 2017 deadline so here are my trade ideas for the re-building Jays. I've already done the Donaldson to NYM deal that was agreed upon earlier in this thread, but any feedback is appreciated on these proposed deals. Thanks!


NATIONALS RECEIVE: Roberto Osuna(24SV, 1.71ERA,0.98WHIP)+Ezequiel Carrera(195AB, .272AVG, .340OBP, 0.5WAR)+Harold Ramirez(in AAA, C/78 potential)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Erick Fedde(still in AAA obviously), Trevor Gott(36.1IP, 25SO, 22BB, 4.71ERA, 1.76WHIP and out 6+months with torn rotator cuff)

REASONING: Nationals probably aren't going to catch the Mets for NL Central division lead as they are 8 games back but they do have a 4 game lead on the 1st wild card spot. Just like in real life, they are in need of a legit closer and Osuna gets them that plus is young and has years of control. I threw in Carrera, who is having a decent enough year, to help them in the outfield since Eaton is out for the year. (I added real life season long injuries prior to the season).

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MARINERS RECEIVE: Russell Martin(256AB, 9HR, 38RBI, .266AVG, .382OBP, .828OPS, 3.6WAR)


BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Tyler O'Neill(still in AAA)

REASONING: Seattle is 60-43 with a 3.5 game lead on the 2nd place Astros in the AL West, so they are in a good spot to make the playoffs wether it be division title or wild card spot. However, catching is a weak spot for them. Zunino has only batted .178 with a .577 OPS in 56 games and is injured for 2 months. Ruiz has been better with a .248AVG and .359 OBP, but only has a .680OPS. Clearly they need an upgrade and Martin is a top catcher in the league.

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CARDINALS RECEIVE: Troy Tulowitzki(311AB, 13HR, .264AVG, .352OBP, .786OBP)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Harrison Bader(still in AAA)

REASONING: Cardinals are 56-45 and aren't going to catch the Cubs for 1st place in the NL Central but they do have a 3 game lead for 1st Wild Card spot. Aside from Diaz, they are getting terrible to mediocre production from a couple of their infielders in Wong(.226AVG, .290OBP, .677OPS) and Peralta(.214AVG, .292OBP, .576OPS). Gyroko does have 10 HR's so him and Diaz can cover 2nd and 3rd while Tulo will give them an offensive boost and some elite defence at SS.

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INDIANS RECEIVE: Jose Bautista(252AB, 10HR, 30RBI, .242AVG, .357OBP, .765OPS)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Juan Hillman (still in A, C/77 potential)

REASONING: At 56-44 Cleveland is running away with the AL Central. That said, they have Brantley, Jackson and Guyer all on the DL for 1-2 months. While Bautista has seen better days in the outfield, he would definitely be a boost for them while they wait to get guys back.

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YANKEES RECEIVE: Marco Estrada(7-8, 122.1IP, 53BB, 111SO, 2.43ERA, 1.23WHIP)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Justus Sheffield(still in AA)

REASONING: Might be a shock to see these teams trade with one another but NYY are 2.5 games up for the 2nd wild card spot. Estrada has been lights out this year, and the Yankees already weak starting rotation just lost Tanaka for 4-5 months.

[brandonholmes]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Sorry to double post/quote myself, but I've already simulated to the 2017 deadline so here are my trade ideas for the re-building Jays. I've already done the Donaldson to NYM deal that was agreed upon earlier in this thread, but any feedback is appreciated on these proposed deals. Thanks!


NATIONALS RECEIVE: Roberto Osuna(24SV, 1.71ERA,0.98WHIP)+Ezequiel Carrera(195AB, .272AVG, .340OBP, 0.5WAR)+Harold Ramirez(in AAA, C/78 potential)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Erick Fedde(still in AAA obviously), Trevor Gott(36.1IP, 25SO, 22BB, 4.71ERA, 1.76WHIP and out 6+months with torn rotator cuff)

REASONING: Nationals probably aren't going to catch the Mets for NL Central division lead as they are 8 games back but they do have a 4 game lead on the 1st wild card spot. Just like in real life, they are in need of a legit closer and Osuna gets them that plus is young and has years of control. I threw in Carrera, who is having a decent enough year, to help them in the outfield since Eaton is out for the year. (I added real life season long injuries prior to the season).*edit: added Harold Ramirez based upon the suggestion above me, hopefully that is a good add. Or perhaps just Osuna+Carrera for Feede?*

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MARINERS RECEIVE: Russell Martin(256AB, 9HR, 38RBI, .266AVG, .382OBP, .828OPS, 3.6WAR)


BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Tyler O'Neill(still in AAA)

REASONING: Seattle is 60-43 with a 3.5 game lead on the 2nd place Astros in the AL West, so they are in a good spot to make the playoffs wether it be division title or wild card spot. However, catching is a weak spot for them. Zunino has only batted .178 with a .577 OPS in 56 games and is injured for 2 months. Ruiz has been better with a .248AVG and .359 OBP, but only has a .680OPS. Clearly they need an upgrade and Martin is a top catcher in the league.

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CARDINALS RECEIVE: Troy Tulowitzki(311AB, 13HR, .264AVG, .352OBP, .786OBP)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Harrison Bader(still in AAA)

REASONING: Cardinals are 56-45 and aren't going to catch the Cubs for 1st place in the NL Central but they do have a 3 game lead for 1st Wild Card spot. Aside from Diaz, they are getting terrible to mediocre production from a couple of their infielders in Wong(.226AVG, .290OBP, .677OPS) and Peralta(.214AVG, .292OBP, .576OPS). Gyroko does have 10 HR's so him and Diaz can cover 2nd and 3rd while Tulo will give them an offensive boost and some elite defence at SS.

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INDIANS RECEIVE: Jose Bautista(252AB, 10HR, 30RBI, .242AVG, .357OBP, .765OPS)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Juan Hillman (still in A, C/77 potential)

REASONING: At 56-44 Cleveland is running away with the AL Central. That said, they have Brantley, Jackson and Guyer all on the DL for 1-2 months. While Bautista has seen better days in the outfield, he would definitely be a boost for them while they wait to get guys back.

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YANKEES RECEIVE: Marco Estrada(7-8, 122.1IP, 53BB, 111SO, 2.43ERA, 1.23WHIP)

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE: Justus Sheffield(still in AA)

REASONING: Might be a shock to see these teams trade with one another but NYY are 2.5 games up for the 2nd wild card spot. Estrada has been lights out this year, and the Yankees already weak starting rotation just lost Tanaka for 4-5 months.

You misunderstood (or I wasn't clear) I meant a small add from the Nats side. Like Osuna for Fedde+something small. As for the rest of your deals, I don't think the Yanks give up on Sheffield for a menial upgrade to a team chasing the 2nd WC. I think Acetrada has value, but more to a legit contender in need of starter depth. Somewhere he'd be a legit 3rd or 4th guy in a deep rotation come playoff time. How are the Cubs/Dodgers/Indians pitchers doing? I include Cleveland because Bauer is always a gascan in every franchise I do.

Need potentials for your Tulo and Martin returns, not in front of the game atm.

[holden57]

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You misunderstood (or I wasn't clear) I meant a small add from the Nats side. Like Osuna for Fedde+something small. As for the rest of your deals, I don't think the Yanks give up on Sheffield for a menial upgrade to a team chasing the 2nd WC. I think Acetrada has value, but more to a legit contender in need of starter depth. Somewhere he'd be a legit 3rd or 4th guy in a deep rotation come playoff time. How are the Cubs/Dodgers/Indians pitchers doing? I include Cleveland because Bauer is always a gascan in every franchise I do.

Need potentials for your Tulo and Martin returns, not in front of the game atm.

Not in front of the game right now either, but I'm fairly certain O'Neill(Martin return from Seattle) and Badder(Tulo return from St. Louis are both in the 85-89 potential range. I was basing it mostly off of real life where Bader is a good prospect, but I don't think he's on any top 100 lists. O'Neill is a much more highly regarded prospect, top 50 in some cases. I went big for him though as Martin is having an amazing year and Seattle is finally contending like they've been trying to do for a few years now so I am imagining that their GM would be very aggressive.

Also I remember checking out Cleveland while I was exploring the Bautista deal, and their major 4 (Kluber, Salazar, Carrasco and Bauer) were all performing well but I know they could use an upgrade over Clevinger for the 5th rotation spot. I just saw an outfield/bat as a bigger need for them especially considering you generally only use 4 starters in the playoffs.

Cubs and Dodgers were both over .600 and did not need any upgrades anywhere. (I remember since I was looking for a way to get either Ian Happ or Puig)

Thanks for your feedback so far, much appreciated.

[CKW11]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Would this trade make any sense to anyone?

Drew Pomeranz, Pablo Sandoval, Henry Owens for Martin Prado & Kyle Barraclough.


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Marlins say no pretty quickly. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and in return get to take on Pablo's contract? Not a chance.

[Jason27]

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Marlins say no pretty quickly. They're giving up the two best players in the deal and in return get to take on Pablo's contract? Not a chance.

I definitely wouldn't say Prado is one of Miami's best players and his contract & Sandoval's match up pretty well. My idea was that they could use a starter with Pomeranz's potential, the Red Sox could use a RP w/ Thornburg & Smith on the DL with Owens as a sweetener...


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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I definitely wouldn't say Prado is one of Miami's best players and his contract & Sandoval's match up pretty well. My idea was that they could use a starter with Pomeranz's potential, the Red Sox could use a RP w/ Thornburg & Smith on the DL with Owens as a sweetener...


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He said Prado and Barraclough are the two best players in the trade. Not the 2 best on the Marlins

Also, Owens isn't a sweetener for anything. He's a failed prospect at this point

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[holden57]

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I definitely wouldn't say Prado is one of Miami's best players and his contract & Sandoval's match up pretty well. My idea was that they could use a starter with Pomeranz's potential, the Red Sox could use a RP w/ Thornburg & Smith on the DL with Owens as a sweetener...


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Not sure how you think their contracts match up pretty well($37.2M for Panda, $28.5M for Prado and thats not including 2017 salaries or option buyouts) unless you are talking fake contracts used in the game? Regardless, talent alone Prado>Sandoval. Don't see why Miami would be interested in this.

[Jason27]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

He said Prado and Barraclough are the two best players in the trade. Not the 2 best on the Marlins

Also, Owens isn't a sweetener for anything. He's a failed prospect at this point

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Got it. Totally read that wrong. Hey guys, don't blame me I'm just trying to get this epic failure off my team haha.


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[Jason27]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Not sure how you think their contracts match up pretty well($37.2M for Panda, $28.5M for Prado and thats not including 2017 salaries or option buyouts) unless you are talking fake contracts used in the game? Regardless, talent alone Prado>Sandoval. Don't see why Miami would be interested in this.

I guess I was thinking more like Pomeranz Barraclough as the talent while swapping 3rd basemen and throwing in a prospect to take Sandoval off my hands.

If I can't get a deal for Sandoval I'm going to release him in the offseason. Any suggestions on a deal that makes sense during the season?


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[The Chef]

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Not in front of the game right now either, but I'm fairly certain O'Neill(Martin return from Seattle) and Badder(Tulo return from St. Louis are both in the 85-89 potential range. I was basing it mostly off of real life where Bader is a good prospect, but I don't think he's on any top 100 lists. O'Neill is a much more highly regarded prospect, top 50 in some cases. I went big for him though as Martin is having an amazing year and Seattle is finally contending like they've been trying to do for a few years now so I am imagining that their GM would be very aggressive.

Also I remember checking out Cleveland while I was exploring the Bautista deal, and their major 4 (Kluber, Salazar, Carrasco and Bauer) were all performing well but I know they could use an upgrade over Clevinger for the 5th rotation spot. I just saw an outfield/bat as a bigger need for them especially considering you generally only use 4 starters in the playoffs.

Cubs and Dodgers were both over .600 and did not need any upgrades anywhere. (I remember since I was looking for a way to get either Ian Happ or Puig)

Thanks for your feedback so far, much appreciated.

I know you weren't asking me and I generally only read this thread and offer little in the way of feedback. Having said that, no way Seattle does that deal. If they're sitting at 60-43 they aren't trading a top prospect, of which they have very few as it is, for a catcher that doesn't put them over the top in anyway. Is Martin an upgrade over Ruiz and Zunino? Of course he is but enough of an upgrade considering they are 60-43? I don't believe so. Now if they were trailing and trying to make a run then maybe but even then I'd imagine they would want to make a splash with a bigger name player not Russell Martin. Like I said I don't post much but playing as Seattle myself I don't see Russell Martin putting them over the top in anyway and certainly not enough to warrant them trading one of their only good prospects away for.

[holden57]

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I know you weren't asking me and I generally only read this thread and offer little in the way of feedback. Having said that, no way Seattle does that deal. If they're sitting at 60-43 they aren't trading a top prospect, of which they have very few as it is, for a catcher that doesn't put them over the top in anyway. Is Martin an upgrade over Ruiz and Zunino? Of course he is but enough of an upgrade considering they are 60-43? I don't believe so. Now if they were trailing and trying to make a run then maybe but even then I'd imagine they would want to make a splash with a bigger name player not Russell Martin. Like I said I don't post much but playing as Seattle myself I don't see Russell Martin putting them over the top in anyway and certainly not enough to warrant them trading one of their only good prospects away for.

I'm looking for any and all opinions! My thinking was that every year Seattle makes moves in the offseason to set themselves up for a World Series run yet they fall short and don't even make the playoffs. Now here they are finally in a good spot, so maybe they'd go all in. However, I knew O'Neill (a top 50 prospect) was a big ask and totally see your point that if they were even going to move him at all that maybe they'd want a bigger splash than Martin.