MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[whbaseball51121]

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What COULD I get for Bradley Jr.? I really like Michael Taylor (acquired for Pomeranz), so I wouldn't mind seeing what I could get for JBJ. If I can, I'd like to get an MLB ready starter and outfielder with power, or at least one who can hit for average.

Some combos I thought of are...

Jesse Hahn and Renato Nunez (Nunez can play LF and has decent power)

Anthony DeS

I think you could definitely get Hahn and Nunez value wise, although I'm not sure how much sense it makes for OAK or CIN to get Bradley bc they're in a longer rebuild than he'd realistically be around for. Bradley also doesn't make a whole ton of sense for ARI, LAA, ATL, MIA or SDP. I think maybe COL for Freeland/Marquez+Parra, DET for Norris+Collins, SFG for Moore+Parker/Williamson, TEX for Martin Perez, Delino DeShields and Ryan Rua, maybe HOU for McHugh+Aoki? NYM for Wheeler+maybe Nimmo or Lagares also looks good I think.

[whbaseball51121]

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Yeah might look at some of those, not sure he gets Faria but someone like Tropeano as a long reliever as ours currently aren't offering much relief. I think I might have to scout around for some low rated but hard throwing young relievers as that's really what we lack. We're all just soft throwing guys who throw strikes that opponents find no issue smashing, so if I can find a couple of maybe high 60's rated controllable relievers on the teams you've mentioned who can throw hard and have at least passable H/9's and K/9's I think that might be worth doing.

I'm almost impressed by how truly terrible the Twins bullpen depth is tbh

Angels Keynan Middleton, Rays Jose Alvarado and Padres Jose Torres come to mind as young hard throwing RP on the teams I mentioned

[UNDERTAKER1215]

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I think you could definitely get Hahn and Nunez value wise, although I'm not sure how much sense it makes for OAK or CIN to get Bradley bc they're in a longer rebuild than he'd realistically be around for. Bradley also doesn't make a whole ton of sense for ARI, LAA, ATL, MIA or SDP. I think maybe COL for Freeland/Marquez+Parra, DET for Norris+Collins, SFG for Moore+Parker/Williamson, TEX for Martin Perez, Delino DeShields and Ryan Rua, maybe HOU for McHugh+Aoki? NYM for Wheeler+maybe Nimmo or Lagares also looks good I think.

I was in the process of scouting more combos when you replied so the rest of my list wasn't saved yet... Thoughts now?

TEX: Martin Perez, Ryan Rua, Delino DeShields Jr.

HOU: Mike Fiers/Collin McHugh, Nori Aoki, Jake Marisnick

NYM: Zack Wheeler, Gavin Cecchini, Brandon Nimmo

COL: Tyler Anderson/German Marquez, Adam Ottavino/Mike Dunn, Carlos Gonzalez/Gerardo Parra

SF: Matt Moore, Austin Slater/Jarrett Parker

Do you think it would be possible to get CarGo or is he too much for the swap?

The ones I like the most are the Mets and Rockies.

[whbaseball51121]

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I was in the process of scouting more combos when you replied so the rest of my list wasn't saved yet... Thoughts now?

DET: Daniel Norris, Nick Castellanos

KC: Nate Karns, Jorge Soler, Peter O'Brien

SEA: Ariel Miranda, D.J. Peterson, Mitch Haniger/Ben Gamel

TEX: Martin Perez, Ryan Rua, Delino DeShields Jr.

HOU: Mike Fiers/Collin McHugh, Nori Aoki, Jake Marisnick

NYM: Zack Wheeler, Gavin Cecchini, Brandon Nimmo

MIL: Junior Guerra/Chase Anderson/Jimmy Nelson, Domingo Santana

COL: Tyler Anderson/German Marquez, Adam Ottavino/Mike Dunn, Carlos Gonzalez/Gerardo Parra

LAD: Brandon McCarthy, Josh Fields, Rob Segedin, Trayce Thompson (Would give LA an outfield of Bradley/Pederson/Puig with Gutierrez/Toles/Ethier as the backups. Toles is in AAA after hitting .231, and Pederson is out for 2-3 weeks right now)

SF: Matt Moore, Austin Slater

Do you think it would be possible to get CarGo or is he too much for the swap.

I don't think MIL would do that bc Bradley just isn't a great fit for them with Broxton and Brinson, but pretty much the rest of theses look good. The Detroit one maybe add a RP to bump from Collins to Castellanos, maybe like Ross Jr.? I think the NYM deal is a tiny bit much, maybe Reynolds instead of Cecchini. Astros I don't think would give Marisnick and McHugh, so maybe Fiers, Marisnick, Aoki or McHugh+Aoki. I think you can get CarGo if you take Dunn instead of Ottavino so I think either SP +Ottavino/Parra or Dunn/Cargo. SFG you could probably take a mid tier RP like Osich or an INF like Tomlinson too. I think LAD would probably do that deal as well, although Bradley is a LH hitter sand they already are very LH heavy so I think the other deals make more sense.

[Trent Booty]

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Andrew Miller doesn't get traded for a Barraclough + Ryu + a 2017 draft pick. Andrew Miller is a huge part of what got the Indians to the World Series in 2016, they're not gonna downgrade to Barraclough, who is okay/good but not elite like Miller, and Ryu, a aging veteran starter who doesn't have much value, and then one actual prospect. You're overrating Barraclough and Ryu as legit trade pieces

[BlueJays09]

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Looking to deal some of my expiring contracts and I would like to deal Bautista. What value could I get back from a contender looking for some power (either starting or bench). This year he is batting .206/.315/.361 with 9 HR and 23 RBI in 238 AB's (-.07 WAR) as he was injured earlier in the year.

Teams contending who could want a RF/DH are Giants, Tigers, Astros

Also, I noticed that Nate Eovaldi is in AAA with a brutal 1-2 6.17 ERA, 1.49 WHIP, 30K. He started with the Rays to a 2.99 ERA and 1.21 WHIP from the bullpen (84 innings), but has been demoted and is angry. I would like to obtain him as I am rotating minor leaguers at the moment and could use someone to finish out the year with with a possibly of re-signing him next year if he works out.

So two questions are: 1) What could I get for Bautista? 2) What would the Rays want for Eovaldi?

[whbaseball51121]

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Andrew Miller doesn't get traded for a Barraclough + Ryu + a 2017 draft pick. Andrew Miller is a huge part of what got the Indians to the World Series in 2016, they're not gonna downgrade to Barraclough, who is okay/good but not elite like Miller, and Ryu, a aging veteran starter who doesn't have much value, and then one actual prospect. You're overrating Barraclough and Ryu as legit trade pieces

Let's try to look at this deal from a more subjective standpoint instead of a "this feels too light" subjective opinion. So yes, Miller to KB is a downgrade in the pen and that's not ideal for a WS contender. However, Ryu upgrades their rotation so it really doesn't cripple their WS chances. I'm not sure why you call Ryu aging when he's two years younger than Miller and just as controllable. He would certainly have value coming off a healthy season, and would merit comparable value to Jaime Garcia last offseason, who was dealt for Gant (B-), Ellis, and Dykstra (both C). Both are injury prone, mid rotation lefties and it's reasonable to assume Ryu could bring back a B- and 2 C's based on the way he was actually valued on the market by real GM's. KB being dealt would be similar to Addison Reed being dealt entering the 2014 season, as both were solid but not elite young late inning arms with four years of control left. Reed netted B prospect Matt Davidson in return, so KB could presumably net similar value. So overall, based on recent market valuations in real life, Ryu and Barraclough would be worth about a B, B-, and two C prospects. The draft pick is an A potential in the game but not an elite prospect, so he probably has B+ type value. So in terms of prospect value, that package is essentially B+, B, B-, C, C. That's not no value at all. In fact, it's not far off from what the Indians gave up to acquire Miller in terms of value (A-/B+, B+/B, C, and C-), and that was for two+ years of Miller plus an in season acquisition cost. One year of Wade Davis only got Jorge Soler, which is nowhere near this value (given Davis was coming off injury, but still.) Three years of Craig Kimbrel returned a B, C+, and 2 C's. Chapman fetched a B+/A-, B, C- and decent MLB arm and that cost was heightened bc it was at the deadline. So I don't think it's crazy to suggest that a package with roughly B+, B, B-, and 2 C value would get a season of Miller, and it makes sense for the Tribe to bolster their rotation without crippling their pen rather than taking prospects because they still want to win and extend their window, which KB does. Say what you want, but in terms of value and motivation, this deal is by no means crazy according to valuations placed on comparable players by actual GM's in recent years.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Let's try to look at this deal from a more subjective standpoint instead of a "this feels too light" subjective opinion. So yes, Miller to KB is a downgrade in the pen and that's not ideal for a WS contender. However, Ryu upgrades their rotation so it really doesn't cripple their WS chances. I'm not sure why you call Ryu aging when he's two years younger than Miller and just as controllable. He would certainly have value coming off a healthy season, and would merit comparable value to Jaime Garcia last offseason, who was dealt for Gant (B-), Ellis, and Dykstra (both C). Both are injury prone, mid rotation lefties and it's reasonable to assume Ryu could bring back a B- and 2 C's based on the way he was actually valued on the market by real GM's. KB being dealt would be similar to Addison Reed being dealt entering the 2014 season, as both were solid but not elite young late inning arms with four years of control left. Reed netted B prospect Matt Davidson in return, so KB could presumably net similar value. So overall, based on recent market valuations in real life, Ryu and Barraclough would be worth about a B, B-, and two C prospects. The draft pick is an A potential in the game but not an elite prospect, so he probably has B+ type value. So in terms of prospect value, that package is essentially B+, B, B-, C, C. That's not no value at all. In fact, it's not far off from what the Indians gave up to acquire Miller in terms of value (A-/B+, B+/B, C, and C-), and that was for two+ years of Miller plus an in season acquisition cost. One year of Wade Davis only got Jorge Soler, which is nowhere near this value (given Davis was coming off injury, but still.) Three years of Craig Kimbrel returned a B, C+, and 2 C's. Chapman fetched a B+/A-, B, C- and decent MLB arm and that cost was heightened bc it was at the deadline. So I don't think it's crazy to suggest that a package with roughly B+, B, B-, and 2 C value would get a season of Miller, and it makes sense for the Tribe to bolster their rotation without crippling their pen rather than taking prospects because they still want to win and extend their window, which KB does. Say what you want, but in terms of value and motivation, this deal is by no means crazy according to valuations placed on comparable players by actual GM's in recent years.

How does Ryu upgrade the Indians rotation? Would you like to deal away an elite piece of your team for a guy who has been injured and missed 2 of the last 3 seasons with a shoulder surgery? Lets look at it subjectively.

Indians starters in 2017:
Kluber- 4.9 WAR
Carrasco- 3 WAR
Bauer- 2.3 WAR
Salazar- 1.5 WAR
Tomlin- 1.5 WAR
Clevinger- 1.4 WAR

Ryu- 1 WAR

So which of the 6 starters who have been used this season by the Indians would get bumped out for an oft-injured Ryu?

Also we can look at Andrew Miller who currently has a 2.0 WAR for the Indians. That's pretty elite for a reliever. When I say elite, I mean its one of the 5 highest WAR totals for a reliever this season. KB on the other hand has been worth 0.3 WAR so far.

So this trade is losing 1.7 WAR in your pen, losing at least 0.5 WAR in your rotation if you take any of the Indians starters out for Ryu and all of that gets you one 2017 draftee while you try to convince your fans that you still want to win a WS this season? Yeah no GM can honestly make that deal

[whbaseball51121]

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How does Ryu upgrade the Indians rotation? Would you like to deal away an elite piece of your team for a guy who has been injured and missed 2 of the last 3 seasons with a shoulder surgery? Lets look at it subjectively.

Indians starters in 2017:
Kluber- 4.9 WAR
Carrasco- 3 WAR
Bauer- 2.3 WAR
Salazar- 1.5 WAR
Tomlin- 1.5 WAR
Clevinger- 1.4 WAR

Ryu- 1 WAR

So which of the 6 starters who have been used this season by the Indians would get bumped out for an oft-injured Ryu?

Also we can look at Andrew Miller who currently has a 2.0 WAR for the Indians. That's pretty elite for a reliever. When I say elite, I mean its one of the 5 highest WAR totals for a reliever this season. KB on the other hand has been worth 0.3 WAR so far.

So this trade is losing 1.7 WAR in your pen, losing at least 0.5 WAR in your rotation if you take any of the Indians starters out for Ryu and all of that gets you one 2017 draftee while you try to convince your fans that you still want to win a WS this season? Yeah no GM can honestly make that deal

You're conveniently completely ignoring KB's 2.1 WAR campaign in 2016, which is 10th best among all RP (Miller is 2nd at 3.0). 2017 stats don't matter as much because that isn't what's happened in his franchise in 17. They do matter but they aren't the end all be all. And the difference between Ryu and the Indians starters is partly due to the Indians guys having pitched more innings. However, the OP noted that in his chise Ryu outperformed all of the Indians starters besides Kluber, so he would be an upgrade in the situation we are discussing. Bauer's fWAR isn't nearly as representative of his ability because this is the third straight year that he's underperformed his peripherals (which are used in fWAR rather than ERA and in most cases I agree are more representative but not if a player repeatedly underperforms or outperforms them) because he's a head case. This deal would let them bump Clevinger to the bullpen, where he could regain some of the velocity he's lost this year and be even more effective while helping make up for the loss of Miller. Adding Ryu, who would be their #4 at least (Kluber, Cookie, Salazar, Ryu, Bauer) would deepen and improve the rotation, while KB and Clev would offset the loss of Miller some. They aren't quite elite but both are talented bullpen arms. Also, I'll note that them being interested in balancing their rotation with a backend lefty was discussed at the deadline so it's not far fetched. And again, look at the way actual MLB teams have valued comparable players, it's a pretty fair deal.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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You're conveniently completely ignoring KB's 2.1 WAR campaign in 2016, which is 10th best among all RP (Miller is 2nd at 3.0). 2017 stats don't matter as much because that isn't what's happened in his franchise in 17. They do matter but they aren't the end all be all. And the difference between Ryu and the Indians starters is partly due to the Indians guys having pitched more innings. However, the OP noted that in his chise Ryu outperformed all of the Indians starters besides Kluber, so he would be an upgrade in the situation we are discussing. Bauer's fWAR isn't nearly as representative of his ability because this is the third straight year that he's underperformed his peripherals (which are used in fWAR rather than ERA and in most cases I agree are more representative but not if a player repeatedly underperforms or outperforms them) because he's a head case. This deal would let them bump Clevinger to the bullpen, where he could regain some of the velocity he's lost this year and be even more effective while helping make up for the loss of Miller. Adding Ryu, who would be their #4 at least (Kluber, Cookie, Salazar, Ryu, Bauer) would deepen and improve the rotation, while KB and Clev would offset the loss of Miller some. They aren't quite elite but both are talented bullpen arms. Also, I'll note that them being interested in balancing their rotation with a backend lefty was discussed at the deadline so it's not far fetched. And again, look at the way actual MLB teams have valued comparable players, it's a pretty fair deal.

I didn't ignore his 2016. Would you look more at McCutcheon's 2016 that his 2017? We look at 2017 because in his 3 years of MLB performance 2016 looks most like an outlier, a career year. Sure you could hope he reaches that again but if I have a guy with 3 aeaspjs and the WAR total looks like .3/2.1/.3 how good do you think the player is? You're clearly much higher on KB than everyone else on here and that's fine. But Barraclough and Ryu aren't good enough to make a GM who actually wants to win a World Series give up the only elite player in the deal. Would you trade Bryce Harper for a decent OF like Mitch Haniger, a back end starter like Ryu and a 2017 draftee? You wouldn't and the Indians wouldn't do the above listed trade for Miller

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[wkmyers62]

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Gonna hit a few of these here -

-A. Miller for Ryu, Barraclough, and prospect Leroy Perez: I actually like this one a lot. I think Cleveland would do this because it keeps their window open longer, doesn't destroy the bullpen, and adds to the rotation. Only thing might be if you have another slightly worse prospect at another position, that might be a better fit with Mejia, Gomes, and Perez in CLE long term. If not though, still a solid deal.

-Rosario for Diaz, Piscotty, and Wong: This one is hard to evaluate from a value standpoint, but in terms of realism I don't think this deal would happen. If you can find another deal where a team traded three decent, young regulars for a prospect I'd like to see that. I can't see STL doing this, especially if they aren't already out of it, because of the risk involved. Great as Rosario is, that's a massive risk for them to blow apart their core for one guy who could bust and leave them out three regulars. Also, can't see St. Louis punting on the season in May, and this deal would kill any realistic hopes of contention. I just don't think this one is realistic.

-Doolittle and Madson to WSH for Treinen and Soto: I don't think Washington would trade Soto for two RP. I know they're pitching even better, but Oakland would have taken Soto if they could have gotten him this summer. I just don't see them giving up Soto for bullpen help unless it's maybe like Britton. You can add a C prospect onto the Neuse/Luzardo package or we can find some other guys, but I think Soto would be off the table.

-Gray/Felix/Darvish for Acuna, Maitan, Colon/Garcia: From a realism perspective, you should probably focus on Gray if you're heading into 2017 because both the M's and Rangers have hopes of contention for this season so they probably wouldn't punt on those before the season by trading their respective aces. I should also note that technically you can't trade Bartolo until June as a recent FA signing. So I'm gonna mostly look at Gray and Garcia. So Acuna and Matian is a good start, but I think you need a little more. They'd probably also want an arm, likely someone close to the majors, so maybe like Lucas Sims? They don't really have any use for Garcia so he actually wouldn't be a positive, he'd just be salary relief and if you're dumping him probably toss in another low level prospect. So I think Gray for Acuna, Maitan, Sims, Garcia, and say Seymour or Sanchez would be fair. If you want to keep Maitan, swap him for Gohara and bump Seymour/Sanchez to Touki/Alex Jackson.

Most of the conversation has focused on Miller, but the Gray to ATL deal is just as bad. There is no way Atlanta gives up both of Acuna/Maitan for Gray. I know prospect lists aren't the end all be all, but Acuna is a Top 10 and Maitan is 44 on MLB and 72 according to BA. The Yankees headliner prospect in the deal was Fowler who is 76 on MLB and 89 on BA. The other two the Yankees gave up don't crack the Top 100 anywhere and Fowler and Kap are coming off serious injury. And you wanna throw in Gohara or Anderson who are both also Top 100? The comp would be Anderson or maybe Gohara as a headliner for Gray. If you want a hitter as a headliner then Maitan might work, but the package behind him wouldn't be as good as what they got from the Yankees.

[UNDERTAKER1215]

MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

I don't think MIL would do that bc Bradley just isn't a great fit for them with Broxton and Brinson, but pretty much the rest of theses look good. The Detroit one maybe add a RP to bump from Collins to Castellanos, maybe like Ross Jr.? I think the NYM deal is a tiny bit much, maybe Reynolds instead of Cecchini. Astros I don't think would give Marisnick and McHugh, so maybe Fiers, Marisnick, Aoki or McHugh+Aoki. I think you can get CarGo if you take Dunn instead of Ottavino so I think either SP +Ottavino/Parra or Dunn/Cargo. SFG you could probably take a mid tier RP like Osich or an INF like Tomlinson too. I think LAD would probably do that deal as well, although Bradley is a LH hitter sand they already are very LH heavy so I think the other deals make more sense.

Ok, so getting back to the starter seeking deals, what would it take to get Robbie Erlin and one of Ryan Buchter and Carter Capps. Brad Hand would be a nice get as well, but only if he doesn't cost a significant return.



Robbie Erlin -0-2, 5 GS, 28.2 IP, 24 K, 3 BB, 3.14 ERA, 1.29 WHIP

Ryan Buchter - 2-0, 29.1 IP, 45 K, 15 BB, 2.76 ERA, 1.19 WHIP

Carter Capps - 1-0, 24.2 IP, 24 K, 14 BB, 1.09 ERA, 1.38 WHIP

Brad Hand - 4-3, 55.0 IP, 57 K, 28 BB, 3.93 ERA, 1.45 WHIP



I'm not sure of Erlin's value as he is a former top prospect that has somewhat flamed out, thanks in large part to injuries. With up-and-coming starters like Nix, Quantrill, Espinoza, Morejon, and Paddack, Erlin wouldn't setback the deep rebuild the Padres are in.



I was thinking of something centered around Josh Ockimey and C.J. Chatham. I could also throw in someone like Roenis Elias who can work from both the rotation and bullpen.

If there are any other under the radar/former top prospect types like Erlin, I'm all ears.

[whbaseball51121]

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I didn't ignore his 2016. Would you look more at McCutcheon's 2016 that his 2017? We look at 2017 because in his 3 years of MLB performance 2016 looks most like an outlier, a career year. Sure you could hope he reaches that again but if I have a guy with 3 aeaspjs and the WAR total looks like .3/2.1/.3 how good do you think the player is? You're clearly much higher on KB than everyone else on here and that's fine. But Barraclough and Ryu aren't good enough to make a GM who actually wants to win a World Series give up the only elite player in the deal. Would you trade Bryce Harper for a decent OF like Mitch Haniger, a back end starter like Ryu and a 2017 draftee? You wouldn't and the Indians wouldn't do the above listed trade for Miller

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Comparing Miller to Harper is absurd. Yes, they're both elite at their position, but the difference between Miller and KB is much smaller over the course of a season than Harper/Haniger. A GM who wanted to have a good shot to contend year after year because it gives more chances to be in position to win the WS would do that deal and in general that seems to be the philosophy taken by the Tribe's front office. The value is pretty in line with the deal for three years of Craig Kimbrel and this is one year of Miller we're talking about. Also, it's not fair to act as though KB's first season is as mediocre as you make it out. That's a 25 inning sample and WAR is a counting stat, so to act like you can use it to compare players without taking into account the amount of playing time (as you did with Ryu and the Indians starters as well as KB's season totals) to make your case stronger is questionable.

[whbaseball51121]

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Most of the conversation has focused on Miller, but the Gray to ATL deal is just as bad. There is no way Atlanta gives up both of Acuna/Maitan for Gray. I know prospect lists aren't the end all be all, but Acuna is a Top 10 and Maitan is 44 on MLB and 72 according to BA. The Yankees headliner prospect in the deal was Fowler who is 76 on MLB and 89 on BA. The other two the Yankees gave up don't crack the Top 100 anywhere and Fowler and Kap are coming off serious injury. And you wanna throw in Gohara or Anderson who are both also Top 100? The comp would be Anderson or maybe Gohara as a headliner for Gray. If you want a hitter as a headliner then Maitan might work, but the package behind him wouldn't be as good as what they got from the Yankees.

He's also asking OAK to take on salary and would have to beat NYY's offer, so a larger return would indeed be warranted. I said Gohara instead of Maitan as an option and never mentioned Anderson in that deal so idk why you did. He's giving up better prospects here because he's only giving up two impact prospects as opposed to the three NYY gave up and adding a decent almost MLB ready prospect to about even out the value. The last piece would be there to incentivize OAK to eat 8-10 million on Colon/Garcia and is a backend top 30 guy.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Comparing Miller to Harper is absurd. Yes, they're both elite at their position, but the difference between Miller and KB is much smaller over the course of a season than Harper/Haniger. A GM who wanted to have a good shot to contend year after year because it gives more chances to be in position to win the WS would do that deal and in general that seems to be the philosophy taken by the Tribe's front office. The value is pretty in line with the deal for three years of Craig Kimbrel and this is one year of Miller we're talking about. Also, it's not fair to act as though KB's first season is as mediocre as you make it out. That's a 25 inning sample and WAR is a counting stat, so to act like you can use it to compare players without taking into account the amount of playing time (as you did with Ryu and the Indians starters as well as KB's season totals) to make your case stronger is questionable.

"as you did with Ryu and the Indians starters"

Innings Pitched in 2017
Kluber- 132.2IP
Carrasco- 138.2IP
Salazar- 77.2 IP
Bauer- 120.1 IP
Tomlin- 110.1 IP
Clevinger- 80.0 IP
&
Ryu- 96.2 IP

So this isn't me playing with the numbers and abusing Ryu having less innings. He is right around all of them, and has more innings than two of the Indians starters with better WARs.

As far as Barraclough goes we have his 2016 which was 72.2 innings of excellence. We have the rest of his career, 70.1 innings of mehh. His recent stint of 46.1 IP has been pretty bad. He walks too manny batters. You can get away with it when you strike everyone out, as you saw in his 2016, and any Bettances season, but if he isn't even striking out 10 guys per 9IP then his atrocious walk rate is a negative. You can't put him out there late in a game if he's just going to walk everyone.

You're also ignoring the ability of Miller to go out in October and pitch 2 to 3 inning stints of straight filth.

In 2016 and 2017 Kyle Barraclough made 122 appearances and threw 119 innings

In 2016 and 2017 Andrew Miller made 116 appearances and threw 128.1 innings. So even regular season Miller shows the ability to throw more innings per appearance.

We can also compare the 2 WAR Miller has in 54 innings to the 0.3 WAR that Barraclough has in 46.1 innings. The fact is that KB is a substantial drop off from Andrew Miller. Since you're so hellbent on including 2016 you're comparing 2.4 WAR of KB to 5 WAR of Andrew Miller. Miller has literally been more than twice as valuable as Barraclough over the past two seasons. There's no way to shake it. Miller is just so much better and no team would jump up and down to trade for KB like the Indians and many others did to obtain Miller at the 2016 trade deadline



This is the last thing I'm going to say on this. If the Indians want to win in 2017 and continue to win going forward they would keep Andrew Miller, the only elite, game changing player we have talked about, and instead trade away the mid level prospect it would take to get 3 years of an above average reliever like Kyle Barraclough once Miller leaves. They could keep Miller through 2018 and then trade a Will Benson or Greg Allen for a mid level reliever with 3ish years of control if thats what they want, or they could go out and get an actual elite reliever with either prospects or cash.

A reliever like Barraclough doesn't extend a window. Lindor extends their window, Jose Ramirez extends their window. The one thing that's hard to find they already have, young talented bats. The one thing that is easy to get every trade deadline is relief pitching and the Indians could always get that if needed once Miller is gone