MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I was just told that my market was a FV 60 for Didi. Also it would be an upgrade for the pirates.

No, not even remotely close. Kang can play short. He's much better than Didi. Starlin Castro has very little value he's worth less than he's paid going forward.

That Walker deal was
Sea: Segura, Haniger, Curtis
Ari: Walker, and Marte

Mitch Haniger is a big piece. He had a swing change last year learning from AJ Pollack and the Mariners expect really big things from him.

Now some key differences. Didi has topped 3 WAR one time. He has 3 years left of team control. Segura has topped 3 WAR twice, both seasons higher than Didi's peak and one of those seasons topping 5 WAR. Segura is a much more valuable asset than Gregorius. So no you can't come close to getting Meadows for those two. The Pirates would hang up the phone so fast.

Again, find me a comparable trade where a team traded a slightly above average SS and a replacement level 2B for a top 10 prospect and we can talk

[GamecocksLaw17]

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May be a slight upgrade, but doesnt mean theyre trading away the guy they refused to trade for the pitching they desperately need.. like saying Castellanos is an upgrade over headley at third for the yanks, so im taking back Frazier and shefflied. Upgrade, yes. Realistic, no

I didn't even think of it that way. That's a fantastic point. I'll add another. Ceasar Hernandez is an upgrade over Starlin Castro so why not trade away him and Freddy Galvis for Gleyber Torres

[babybombers]

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No, not even remotely close. Kang can play short. He's much better than Didi. Starlin Castro has very little value he's worth less than he's paid going forward.

That Walker deal was
Sea: Segura, Haniger, Curtis
Ari: Walker, and Marte

Mitch Haniger is a big piece. He had a swing change last year learning from AJ Pollack and the Mariners expect really big things from him.

Now some key differences. Didi has topped 3 WAR one time. He has 3 years left of team control. Segura has topped 3 WAR twice, both seasons higher than Didi's peak and one of those seasons topping 5 WAR. Segura is a much more valuable asset than Gregorius. So no you can't come close to getting Meadows for those two. The Pirates would hang up the phone so fast.

Again, find me a comparable trade where a team traded a slightly above average SS and a replacement level 2B for a top 10 prospect and we can talk

All i have to say is KANG ISNT EVEN IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS THE PIRATES SO THAT IS IRRELEVANT. Someone said that is the trade I needed to look at so that is what I did. Surplus rarely even matters apparently because based on Surplus Didi is almost the same value as meadows.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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All i have to say is KANG ISNT EVEN IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS THE PIRATES SO THAT IS IRRELEVANT. Someone said that is the trade I needed to look at so that is what I did. Surplus rarely even matters apparently because based on Surplus Didi is almost the same value as meadows.

No he isn't. He was projected for 2.2 WAR this year. He's currently on the DL that hurts his value. So best case scenario he is worth like $60 million before you subtract out the $25 million or so he is going to make in salary. He's a slightly above average SS. That has value but not the value you want it to.

If you could turn 3 years of a slightly above average SS and a replacement level 2B into top-10 prospects everyone would be doing it. You'd be able to give even one example of a trade like it

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[MrSerendipity]

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All i have to say is KANG ISNT EVEN IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS THE PIRATES SO THAT IS IRRELEVANT. Someone said that is the trade I needed to look at so that is what I did. Surplus rarely even matters apparently because based on Surplus Didi is almost the same value as meadows.

Because you're basing the logic behind these trades on positional upgrade and surplus alone. You're leaving out trajectory, system, motivation and a plethora of other factors.

Trajectory: Pittsburgh is one of the teams this year that can afford to be either a buyer or seller at the deadline. They're not in a position in which they have to secure wins within a window (System). Thus, they have no motivation to move recruits (especially a Top 10 recruit) for slightly above average players.

Surplus is great but you still have to have an understanding of where our an organization is at the time.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Because you're basing the logic behind these trades on positional upgrade and surplus alone. You're leaving out trajectory, system, motivation and a plethora of other factors.

Trajectory: Pittsburgh is one of the teams this year that can afford to be either a buyer or seller at the deadline. They're not in a position in which they have to secure wins within a window (System). Thus, they have no motivation to move recruits (especially a Top 10 recruit) for slightly above average players.

Surplus is great but you still have to have an understanding of where our an organization is at the time.

Yep, surplus is tool to figure values. It doesn't make all trades of equal surplus make sense. Rebuilding teams won't give up assets for older guys even if the math works. Teams have goals. You have to match those goals not just your own goals

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[hampshirestags]

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All i have to say is KANG ISNT EVEN IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS THE PIRATES SO THAT IS IRRELEVANT. Someone said that is the trade I needed to look at so that is what I did. Surplus rarely even matters apparently because based on Surplus Didi is almost the same value as meadows.

Are you looking to add Meadows or dump Didi? If you want Meadows, the Yanks have the pieces to get Q from the White Sox then flip him to the Pirates. Though a deal wasn't done IRL and we think we know what was discussed, nobody knows for sure and nobody can say that that type of deal still won't happen.

If you're dumping Did, you're doing just that...dumping him so the kid can play. A few years ago he was traded in a deal with names like Robbie Ray and Sean Greene, he hasn't done anything since that would increase his value to the point of a top prospect trade

[breaking_ankles99]

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Does the value look right on these deals and if not which way, thanks
To Pirates:
Quintana

To Sox:
Meadows
Keller
Hayes

To Nationals:
Robertson

To Sox:
Soto
Luzardo

To jays:
Abreu

To Sox:
Alford
Zeuch
Bichette

Also who would need a 3rd baseman like Todd Frazier

[BigOscar]

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Right, I think I've figured out the moves I'm going to make tomorrow when I start my franchise. I've tried to come up with moves to teams that make sense and then from their come up with a fair value using players they would be willing to move, but I'd appreciate any help on unrealistic trades I've overlooked.

Alex Colome to WAS for Koda Glover and Carter Kieboom

Jake Odorizzi to COL for Riley Pint and Raimel Tapia

Erasmo Ramirez to SFG for Bryan Reynolds

Cory Rasmus and Danny Farquhar to TOR for Bo Bichette

[babybombers]

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Are you looking to add Meadows or dump Didi? If you want Meadows, the Yanks have the pieces to get Q from the White Sox then flip him to the Pirates. Though a deal wasn't done IRL and we think we know what was discussed, nobody knows for sure and nobody can say that that type of deal still won't happen.

If you're dumping Did, you're doing just that...dumping him so the kid can play. A few years ago he was traded in a deal with names like Robbie Ray and Sean Greene, he hasn't done anything since that would increase his value to the point of a top prospect trade

What I really want to do is dump headley to a team and get back any prospect I can. and then id like to trade Didi for a good prospect in the middle of the season and hoping didi is having a steller year.

[kenp86]

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What I really want to do is dump headley to a team and get back any prospect I can. and then id like to trade Didi for a good prospect in the middle of the season and hoping didi is having a steller year.

Probably getting a C lrospect back for DiDi no matter what. Maaaaaaaybe a low B prospect. Not much more than that. Certainly not the prospects youve been trying to attain

[babybombers]

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Probably getting a C lrospect back for DiDi no matter what. Maaaaaaaybe a low B prospect. Not much more than that. Certainly not the prospects youve been trying to attain

So if didi goes out and has a 4.5 WAR year or even 5 WAR taht will be all I can get in the offseason?????

[kenp86]

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So if didi goes out and has a 4.5 WAR year or even 5 WAR taht will be all I can get in the offseason?????

So youre saying hes going to have a career year when you need it most? What should i get if andrew romine goes out and has a war of 5+? Maybe the yanks could take him for frazier, judge and sheffield

[Tdoyle2021]

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Not a trade but with Otani being on the OSFM roster, what are some teams that realistically he could be added to for a franchise? I know a few teams (Cubs, Red Sox, Padres, etc) are unable to sign him unless he takes way less, which he won't. So big market teams that could be a fit?

[brandonholmes]

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So if didi goes out and has a 4.5 WAR year or even 5 WAR taht will be all I can get in the offseason?????

You're not getting Austin Meadows, that's for sure.

I think if Didi goes out and gets 5 WAR, then proves to be on a similar track the following season, someone might give up a mid-B 'spect for him. Then again if Didi gets 7.5 WAR over the next year and a half I'll eat my hat, so who knows?