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  • MrArlingtonBeach
    MVP
    • Feb 2009
    • 4530

    #31
    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

    Originally posted by HypoLuxa13
    Does anyone have a link to the bug report that we can vote up? The show nation site isn't loading right on my phone right now, maybe the big reports can't be voted up anyway...
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    • HypoLuxa13
      MVP
      • Feb 2007
      • 1156

      #32
      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

      I got to thinking about this - people are saying the complete game/shut out numbers are much more realistic this year, I'm guessing this has something to do with it. And in one of the streams they talked about updated bullpen logic, but I wonder if it is actually more broad than that. More like updated pitcher change logic in general, including starters.

      I know it can't be easy to try and get pitcher change logic all accounted for and realistic in C or C++ code or whatever they use. But hopefully some fine tuning can be done via patch to balance it somewhere in between.

      Edit: looking closer at season end stats - It seems like only top tier pitchers like Kershaw, Bumgarner, Lester, etc, get left in. They had 200+ innings in 32 or 33 starts. Any SP with a rating under about 85 and also made 30+ starts averaged less than 5 innings per game in most cases. In the 140-160 IP range. A couple pitchers in the mid 80's like Kyle Hendricks I see had 180 innings in 33 starts, despite having an ERA sub 3. So maybe manager hook is also closely tied to Pitcher's ratings?
      Last edited by HypoLuxa13; 03-31-2017, 06:44 AM.

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      • EWRMETS
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 7491

        #33
        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

        I just had a game where Corey Kluber had a shutout against me, 0 er, 2 bb, 3 hits. I think more information is needed before a patch is demanded. The Verlander situation described above where he gave up 2 walks and a hit in the fifth is an early hook but it's not indefensible.

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        • HypoLuxa13
          MVP
          • Feb 2007
          • 1156

          #34
          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

          Originally posted by EWRMETS
          I just had a game where Corey Kluber had a shutout against me, 0 er, 2 bb, 3 hits. I think more information is needed before a patch is demanded. The Verlander situation described above where he gave up 2 walks and a hit in the fifth is an early hook but it's not indefensible.
          Yeah, I just updated my post above yours. There definitely seems to be an additional factor about a pitcher's rating and how it plays into the manager hook behavior. This is based on only one season sim, I'm going to sim a couple more seasons today and see if they look similar.

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          • BL8001
            MVP
            • Jul 2010
            • 1884

            #35
            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

            Originally posted by EWRMETS
            I just had a game where Corey Kluber had a shutout against me, 0 er, 2 bb, 3 hits. I think more information is needed before a patch is demanded. The Verlander situation described above where he gave up 2 walks and a hit in the fifth is an early hook but it's not indefensible.
            Yeah, re: verlander my feeling is this.

            Verlander would shake his head no if he even bothered looking over at his manager. The fans came to see him, he got in a little trouble, let's see you get out. Real world wise he stays in.

            The game seems to ignore who they are and just goes straight math.

            I agree though, let's keep reporting/investigating on this possible issue.
            resident curmudgeon

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            • capa
              Banned
              • Jul 2002
              • 5321

              #36
              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

              Starters def being pulled too early. Hope they tweak the Stamina slider or something. Right now it has little to no effect. Wreaks havoc especially with classic roster sets when the pitchers would go deep in the game, and often throw 9.

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              • gp005
                Rookie
                • Jan 2017
                • 280

                #37
                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                i did some minor testing on this myself, and noticed the stamina attribute plays a huge role this year... i changed some pitchers stamina rating from i.e 72 to 85 ( no formula used, just for testing ) and now these pitchers average from 5.5 to 7 innings per start....

                the only issue i see now is long relief pitchers will throw 3 to 4 inning in sometimes 3 or 4 straight ball games.. no rest days
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                • gp005
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 280

                  #38
                  Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                  i do feel that the innings and cg's are more realistic this year with majority of pitchers
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                  • HypoLuxa13
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 1156

                    #39
                    Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                    Originally posted by gp005
                    i did some minor testing on this myself, and noticed the stamina attribute plays a huge role this year... i changed some pitchers stamina rating from i.e 72 to 85 ( no formula used, just for testing ) and now these pitchers average from 5.5 to 7 innings per start....

                    the only issue i see now is long relief pitchers will throw 3 to 4 inning in sometimes 3 or 4 straight ball games.. no rest days
                    To piggy back onto this, I tested a couple more Simmed seasons. I upped both the User and CPU starting pitcher stamina slider +1 clicks, and I moved the Manager Hook slider -2 clicks, and it DID make a difference in Simming. I have yet to test and see if manager logic in-game has changed.

                    But SP's with 80+ overall ratings were averaging more like 6 innings per start, in the 180 inning range, give or take. Lots more guys in the 175-200 IP range at the end of the season. Elite starters were still over 200 innings for sure, but nothing outrageous to skew the numbers of IP, CG, or Shutouts. I'm going to run with this for a while and see what happens.

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                    • gp005
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 280

                      #40
                      Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                      i am pretty content with it myself... just waiting for the rosters (OSFM) to drop and begin franchise....
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                      • mooch49
                        Pro
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 915

                        #41
                        Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                        I haven't seen this problem. I played my first 2 games in franchise and both pitchers threw over 100 pitches. I had starter stamina on 6. Thinking about going back to 5 because they were throwing between 110 and 120 pitches, which is a little unrealistic in these times. I also play on Legend.

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                        • bcruise
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 23274

                          #42
                          Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                          Originally posted by mooch49
                          I haven't seen this problem. I played my first 2 games in franchise and both pitchers threw over 100 pitches. I had starter stamina on 6. Thinking about going back to 5 because they were throwing between 110 and 120 pitches, which is a little unrealistic in these times. I also play on Legend.

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                          Were those two games shutouts by the CPU by any chance? Or did they give up some runs?

                          AI will definitely let the starter stay in if they're throwing a shutout.

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                          • mooch49
                            Pro
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 915

                            #43
                            Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                            Yeah mostly. Playing on Legend with zone analog w/ stride. So its been tough hitting. But my last game I put three runners on in the 9th inning and the pitcher finished the game. Didn't score though.

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                            • countryboy
                              Growing pains
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 52785

                              #44
                              Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                              Granted I haven't seen this issue because I've only played Spring Training games, but one thing I'm wondering is if possibly Humanity AI is playing a part in this? I wonder if the computer is too quick to try and make decisions based on matchups and pulling pitchers early?

                              Just a thought.


                              And a question. Has anyone else done what Hypoluxa has done and raise the pitcher stamina slider to see if this helps "cure" this problem in game?

                              Of the things that are not working properly with the Show this year, this is by far my biggest concern.
                              I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                              I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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                              • Ninjoid
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2101

                                #45
                                Re: CPU SP problem (anyone else has it!?)

                                Originally posted by countryboy
                                And a question. Has anyone else done what Hypoluxa has done and raise the pitcher stamina slider to see if this helps "cure" this problem in game?

                                Of the things that are not working properly with the Show this year, this is by far my biggest concern.
                                Hi Country,
                                Yes I've tried cpu stamina at max and it made no major difference. The number of pitches isn't too bad but I'm questioning the logic. See below for an example that I've added to the bug report:

                                I have cpu manager hook at 0 and cpu starter stamina at 6.

                                CPU v CPU franchise game, Sea @ CWS.

                                Score is 0-0 after 6, with 2 hits each. CWS pitcher is pulled after 73 pitches.

                                King Felix is then pulled after 7 with a 1-0 lead, still only 2 hits given up and having thrown only 72 pitches. Plenty of energy left and a complete game shutout within sight.

                                As game situation is the dominant factor over the hook slider why at this point would Seattle pull their pitcher?
                                Dedicated member of the CPU v CPU worldwide brethren.

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