The hitting in this game is off...

[rtwilli4]

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Regardless a difference of at most 10% isn't going to change anything about the ridiculous complaining about not hitting those pitches 500ft.

There seems to be some misconception that hitters would do that on a pitch they're sitting on 60% of the time or higher. People just don't understand how difficult it is to square up a baseball like that. Especially if you add in that you are also slightly inclined to over-swing when you get your pitch which makes it even harder to square it up. And yes even major leaguers and HoF players over-swing on them fat pitches occasionally.

I'm just going off my experiences as a minor league pitcher. We held bullpen sessions where the hitters knew what was coming and were sitting on it. You would be crazy surprised at the swing and misses let alone the balls that wouldn't have been base hits.

I agree. Too many people (gamers, fans, etc) just don't understand what it is like to stand in the box with a professional pitcher on the mound. It's one of the hardest things in all of sports (and for me it was downright scary sometimes).

Professional hitters are going to hit the ball hard if they are sitting on something and they see it... but that still only translates into a .300 average. It's not very often that they are going to see that pitch. And when they do, they have a split second to realize that it's in their wheelhouse and not at their head.

There is a pretty loud discussion going on now within MLB about the game being too boring. Sure the downtime and game length are an issue, but what is more troubling is that a huge chunk of the ABs are ending in strike outs.

If we had a true MLB simulation, we'd all be bored as hell.

[Sayheykid01]

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Regardless a difference of at most 10% isn't going to change anything about the ridiculous complaining about not hitting those pitches 500ft.

There seems to be some misconception that hitters would do that on a pitch they're sitting on 60% of the time or higher. People just don't understand how difficult it is to square up a baseball like that. Especially if you add in that you are also slightly inclined to over-swing when you get your pitch which makes it even harder to square it up. And yes even major leaguers and HoF players over-swing on them fat pitches occasionally.

I'm just going off my experiences as a minor league pitcher. We held bullpen sessions where the hitters knew what was coming and were sitting on it. You would be crazy surprised at the swing and misses let alone the balls that wouldn't have been base hits.

In no way am I saying that squaring up a ball is easy. I didn't play minor league ball like you, but I played in college and faced plenty of pitchers that went on to get drafted. Watching baseball on TV doesn't do it justice as to how difficult it is. It's hell up there when guys have command of three or more pitches.

Only point I was trying to make is that the "good hitters" in the league are probably hitting high 300s if they guess correctly.

[Sayheykid01]

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In terms of good hitters, 77 hitters in the MLB last season hit over .270 ... I still believe that not making perfect contact on a ball even if you know its coming is more probable than not.

Not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but the only reason I chimed in was to talk about hitters getting the pitch they're looking for. Those guys who hit above .270 are probably hitting around .350+ when they get a pitch they're looking for or a mistake. When you throw in all the times a guy is fooled or off balance, that's when you're average is coming back down to earth.

In no way am I saying hitting is easy, played for 25 years. I agree with you guys saying that a lot of people say they want realism without knowing what it actually is. I don't think majority of people realize how little success you have in the box. You can do everything right up there and have absolutely nothing to show for it.

[Nolove626]

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Wow, some good feedback in this thread. I feel you guys I really do. Hitting a baseball is very hard and should never be easy. I am actually hitting very well this year. I am averaging anywhere from 4-7 pitches an at bat, walking more than I ever have, but something just doesn't feel smoothe about this years hitting mechanics. I feel like the hitters are swinging through mud or under water or something. Even when I square one up for a no doubter it just doesn't have that same satisfaction as years past, to the point I am actually surprised when my hitter goes into his no doubter animation. Maybe it's the toned down sound of the bay cracking throwing me off. Or maybe it's just because the games only been out for a week and I just need to let myself adjust to the feel of the game this year.

[DeJohn11]

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I think the MLB average on "hard hit balls" was like .450. If they sit on something, they're still out over half the time

[Caulfield]

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I know it takes a little effort but the hitting wont be off once you've determined the best hitting difficulty for you, the best hitting view, the most optimal contact, power, timing, foul frequency, solid hit, pitch speeds and fielder reaction and errors sliders. In fact, the 3 most important things to hitting in the Show are sliders, sliders, sliders. Once the sliders are right, its all coasting from there on in.

[HighCmpPct]

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I know it takes a little effort but the hitting wont be off once you've determined the best hitting difficulty for you, the best hitting view, the most optimal contact, power, timing, foul frequency, solid hit, pitch speeds and fielder reaction and errors sliders. In fact, the 3 most important things to hitting in the Show are sliders, sliders, sliders. Once the sliders are right, its all coasting from there on in.

Obviously this from Caulfield lol.

Wow, some good feedback in this thread. I feel you guys I really do. Hitting a baseball is very hard and should never be easy. I am actually hitting very well this year. I am averaging anywhere from 4-7 pitches an at bat, walking more than I ever have, but something just doesn't feel smoothe about this years hitting mechanics. I feel like the hitters are swinging through mud or under water or something. Even when I square one up for a no doubter it just doesn't have that same satisfaction as years past, to the point I am actually surprised when my hitter goes into his no doubter animation. Maybe it's the toned down sound of the bay cracking throwing me off. Or maybe it's just because the games only been out for a week and I just need to let myself adjust to the feel of the game this year.

But to combine what he said into what you said, what pitch speeds are you using? Personally I love 10 because no matter where I go 10 is 10 lol. Go to my friends house? 10 is 10.

I guess what I'm saying is if I get a hold of it for a HR on 10 I'm satisfied lol. Not to mention it'll get you a more realistic amount of swing and misses.

[HighCmpPct]

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In no way am I saying that squaring up a ball is easy. I didn't play minor league ball like you, but I played in college and faced plenty of pitchers that went on to get drafted. Watching baseball on TV doesn't do it justice as to how difficult it is. It's hell up there when guys have command of three or more pitches.

Only point I was trying to make is that the "good hitters" in the league are probably hitting high 300s if they guess correctly.

Lol I think we were more on the same page than we thought we were when we started. For some reason I felt like you were saying it was much higher than you just said.

Also I was giving a hard 70% of the time obviously lol. 70% is just kinda the go to % in baseball.

[ruskoz]

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I to cant get a good feel for the hitting as of 17. I play allstar zone and it seems i often square up the ball with good timing, i look at the feedback after and everything looks good but the ball is often a weak bloop or weak pop-up. I havent paid enough attention to pitch type as a result of ball spin off the bat after contact, but I don't thinks that's been modeled in the game, has it?

I am not saying that the hitting mechanics is porked. I will say I have lost confidence in what merits good contact and what is the result of good contact.

[Nolove626]

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Obviously this from Caulfield lol.

But to combine what he said into what you said, what pitch speeds are you using? Personally I love 10 because no matter where I go 10 is 10 lol. Go to my friends house? 10 is 10.

I guess what I'm saying is if I get a hold of it for a HR on 10 I'm satisfied lol. Not to mention it'll get you a more realistic amount of swing and misses.

10?!?! I can barely time it on 5!!!! Lol. Guess I'm getting old. In all seriousness good advice from you and caulfield though.

[HighCmpPct]

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I to cant get a good feel for the hitting as of 17. I play allstar zone and it seems i often square up the ball with good timing, i look at the feedback after and everything looks good but the ball is often a weak bloop or weak pop-up. I havent paid enough attention to pitch type as a result of ball spin off the bat after contact, but I don't thinks that's been modeled in the game, has it?

I am not saying that the hitting mechanics is porked. I will say I have lost confidence in what merits good contact and what is the result of good contact.

Honestly just like you'll be a better hitter of you turn off the strike zone, you'll be a better hitter if you turn off the feedback as well. Constantly looking at it after every swing just gets in your head.

Honestly I don't go by what it says anyway. Cause "good" timing on a inside pitch isn't even good. You should've been early to be "good" that's why you didn't get as much of it as you should've.

Also there are times where is around the middle of the plate and I know I just missed it and was slightly late, but the feedback will still say "good" timing. So just turn it off and play the game, MLB players don't have a little feedback thingy. Yeah they're going back and watching the tape, but they know what happened on the way back to the dugout.

Just turn it off you'll be happier.

[SuicideSqueeze]

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Good timing does not mean that you are squaring up the ball. You can have perfect timing and still swing through it. So many times I hear someone comment "he just missed it" when a ball is fouled straight back. Sure, the timing was right on, but he missed it by quite a bit if it's fouled straight back. In fact, he almost missed it completely

[HighCmpPct]

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Good timing does not mean that you are squaring up the ball. You can have perfect timing and still swing through it. So many times I hear someone comment "he just missed it" when a ball is fouled straight back. Sure, the timing was right on, but he missed it by quite a bit if it's fouled straight back. In fact, he almost missed it completely

Indeed he did almost miss it completely, but at the same time he almost crushed it. That's how miniscule the difference is in baseball.

And just in case none of you guys are pitchers, if they foul it straight back DO NOT THROW IT AGAIN! lol he's on that thing.

[CaseIH]

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It's kinda why I never bother with Madden online or with any of their patches. People say they want realism but I honestly don't think they understand the realism they want.

The Show: I was sitting on the fastball in the middle and I just popped it up. Well guess what that happens 70% of the time to the greatest to ever play the game.

Madden: He was wide open and I hit the button perfect why did my QB miss the throw? Or why did he drop the pass? How about because it happens all the time.

I'm sorry if I come off wrong towards these people but they moan for realism and then bash the game until they patch it out.

Same thing happens with NBA2k, onliners whine and moan, and by the time the devs are done they have patched and tuning they have taken out all the realism. Thats 1 reason why I never have played online in any game, to many casual fans of the sport that are clueless play online.
The devs with MLBTS tend not to jump everytime someone whines about something broke online luckily. Not saying that the OP is crying about anything, hitting on The Show can be difficult, which IRL it is as well

[actionhank]

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Honestly just like you'll be a better hitter of you turn off the strike zone, you'll be a better hitter if you turn off the feedback as well. Constantly looking at it after every swing just gets in your head.

Honestly I don't go by what it says anyway. Cause "good" timing on a inside pitch isn't even good. You should've been early to be "good" that's why you didn't get as much of it as you should've.

Also there are times where is around the middle of the plate and I know I just missed it and was slightly late, but the feedback will still say "good" timing. So just turn it off and play the game, MLB players don't have a little feedback thingy. Yeah they're going back and watching the tape, but they know what happened on the way back to the dugout.

Just turn it off you'll be happier.

I've been doing that for a while, and I've loved it. Takes away the frustration of me going "Ohhh, just on the edge, should have swung!"

I stop watching the edges of the strike zone, and start paying more attention to the pitch.

Same thing happens with NBA2k, onliners whine and moan, and by the time the devs are done they have patched and tuning they have taken out all the realism. Thats 1 reason why I never have played online in any game, to many casual fans of the sport that are clueless play online.
The devs with MLBTS tend not to jump everytime someone whines about something broke online luckily. Not saying that the OP is crying about anything, hitting on The Show can be difficult, which IRL it is as well

I've played the NHL series online maybe 4 times...and it was just awful every time. Ignoring the unrealistic sliders you're stuck with, you also play people who care more about winning than playing, so they'll do whatever easy tricks they can to score a goal. It's just no fun for me.