Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

Collapse

Recommended Videos

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • torpidbeaver
    Pro
    • Mar 2010
    • 636

    #1

    Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

    Unless you almost never throw a ball? Unless your fastball (or whatever the primary pitch is for your particular pitcher) usage and strike% is over 80%? Unless you only use your primary pitch as your strikeout pitch?

    The game constantly takes away confidence from your primary pitch, like it were a little boat constantly taking on water, and throwing strikes is your only means of bailing out that water. It's very frustrating to have pitched 4 or 5 innings of no-hit ball, with 8 strikeouts, with no walks, and with no major contact given to opposing batters, and to have your primary pitch be at 40-50% or less.

    For instance, I'm currently in the Top of the 5th inning playing on All-Star level vs. the CPU. I've thrown my 4-seamer 30 out of 57 pitches. Of those 30 pitches, 70% have gone for strikes or outs. My pitcher's fastball confidence is sitting right around the halfway point. If I start throwing it for nothing but strikes, I'll probably start getting pounded.

    I think this gets back to the original decision to decide that the only way a pitcher can get confidence is through throwing a strike. I still think that it should be a mix of execution and result; that a set-up pitch deliberately thrown out of the zone but with perfect or near perfect execution should, if not act as a confidence booster, at least be confidence-neutral.

    Maybe it's being done to tamp down on dominant pitching? If that's the case, I guess I wish they'd figure out a better way. I admit that at All-Star difficulty, it seems that it's a little too easy to pitch dominant games. But there's currently very little incentive for me to pitch on higher levels.
    Last edited by torpidbeaver; 04-07-2017, 03:37 PM. Reason: Misused "entropic" & slthree wrote that I was calling attention to myself by using that word so I hope this is better for him
  • slthree
    MVP
    • Sep 2003
    • 2529

    #2
    Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

    Dude, get over yourself. Absolutely no reason to use the term you did, save to draw attention to yourself. You also misapplied "entropic". Maybe you could simply restate your issue

    Sent from my SM-N910V using Operation Sports mobile app

    Comment

    • torpidbeaver
      Pro
      • Mar 2010
      • 636

      #3
      Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

      Okay, I'll try restating:

      Each pitcher's primary pitch confidence leaks constantly, and the rate at which it leaks is too damn high.

      Is that more clear?
      Last edited by torpidbeaver; 04-07-2017, 03:38 PM.

      Comment

      • BL8001
        MVP
        • Jul 2010
        • 1884

        #4
        Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

        I get what you are saying, hitting a spot you choose, including throwing a tight ball on the edge should equal no confidence lost when throwing balls on purpose.

        But...

        Entropic
        Thermodynamics. (on a macroscopic scale) a function of thermodynamic variables, as temperature, pressure, or composition, that is a measure of the energy that is not available for work during a thermodynamic process. A closed system evolves toward a state of maximum entropy.
        resident curmudgeon

        Comment

        • torpidbeaver
          Pro
          • Mar 2010
          • 636

          #5
          Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

          I'm not the best with science words, so I just assumed that "entropic" was the adjective version of "entropy." My bad. Certainly no offense meant. It was just the word that came to mind.

          But yeah, I only meant that the game constantly takes away confidence from your primary pitch, like it were a little boat constantly taking on water, and throwing strikes is your only means of bailing out that water.

          Maybe that's a better way of putting it, since I don't want to put on airs like I'm trying to call attention to myself.

          Comment

          • BrianU
            MVP
            • Nov 2008
            • 1565

            #6
            Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

            Why you guys jumping down this guy's throat. He has a very good point. This gameplay system is not the most well done and i hope they look over and refine it soon like they've done with precision input and ball physics.

            Sent from my LGLS775 using Operation Sports mobile app

            Comment

            • sandmac
              Pro
              • Feb 2003
              • 535

              #7
              Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

              Originally posted by torpidbeaver
              Okay, I'll try restating:

              Each pitcher's primary pitch confidence leaks constantly, and the rate at which it leaks is too damn high.

              Is that more clear?
              Yes, but the oxford comma was unnecessary.

              JK

              Comment

              • BoNity
                Rookie
                • Nov 2009
                • 333

                #8
                Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                At some point you just gotta play the game and not worry about stuff like that.
                I just pitched a 1 hitter with the twins Mejia on HOF and im just a average player. So i dont really care about the confidence of my main pitch. i hardly even pay attention to it

                Comment

                • Jr.
                  Playgirl Coverboy
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 19171

                  #9
                  Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                  The pitch confidence system isn't the most realistic. I just turn it off.
                  My favorite teams are better than your favorite teams

                  Watch me play video games

                  Comment

                  • NEOPARADIGM
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 2788

                    #10
                    Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                    Originally posted by Jr.
                    The pitch confidence system isn't the most realistic. I just turn it off.
                    i think that just hides it though, doesn't disable it; op's point remains.

                    Comment

                    • nomo17k
                      Permanently Banned
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 5735

                      #11
                      Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                      Pitch confidence usually makes for interesting discussions and the implementation as a modifier to individual pitch command is interesting I think, but if it's cast to the meaning of the word "confidence" it's kinda difficult to understand what it should really mean.

                      I tend to agree that given it really is command that's being affected, I think if he makes his pitch (i.e., pitch to a desired location), then he shouldn't be penalized for it. Real-life pitchers try to take hitters out of the strike zone all the time.

                      But what if he makes a great pitch to an intended location outside the strike zone, fully aware it should be a ball, but what he really wants to happen is that the better chases the pitch? Should the pitcher get a confidence boost because he at least commanded his pitch? But if that perfectly commanded pitch intended for a chase and the batter simply lays it off... should that actually be a confidence booster for a pitcher?

                      It's interesting how the mechanics works...
                      The Show CPU vs. CPU game stats: 2018,17,16,15,14,13,12,11

                      Comment

                      • BL8001
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 1884

                        #12
                        Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                        I used the wacha reward card in DD last night, classic pitching vs cpu. I threw everything in the strikezone, painting corners. His confidence was sky high and it was point and shoot.

                        I threw a couple balls right on the edge in the 6th. Ball half in, half out and my confidence started dipping.

                        Except it was exactly where I wanted to throw it to keep the batter off balance.

                        Confidence is wild because it seems to matter a whole lot this year, when it's high you can absolutely deal but when it gets to about 75% it seems to mess with your locations too much, personally I would like to see how it treats pitch locations at 75% to be how it treats them when you got to 50%.

                        100% is the pitcher knowing he owns you
                        75% should be like what I got is working and a couple loose ones but loose more in my favor
                        60% should be like hmm things feel ok I think
                        50% is I am having some trouble hitting my location
                        40% whoa why did I leave that breaking ball up?
                        30% and lower please take me out
                        resident curmudgeon

                        Comment

                        • Steven78
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 7240

                          #13
                          Re: Pitcher's Primary Pitch Confidence & Entropy

                          Pitcher confidence in this game has always been horribly executed.

                          Sent from my SM-G900R4 using Tapatalk

                          Comment

                          Working...