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  • JT2111
    Rookie
    • Jul 2004
    • 216

    #1

    Changing a players position and overalls

    I know that overalls aren't the be all end all but when you change a player to a different position and their overall goes way up why is that? I looked at the stats and they're all the same. I drafted Corey Seager and Trevor Story so I wanted to change Story's primary position to 2B. When I do this his overall goes from 79 to 88 without any attributes changing. What gives? Are positional overalls weighted differently? Will he now play much better in game? I want to change his primary position for things like awards and all star voting but this feels like cheating.
    Last edited by JT2111; 04-28-2017, 10:45 PM.
  • nomo17k
    Permanently Banned
    • Feb 2011
    • 5735

    #2
    Re: Changing a players position and overalls

    Originally posted by JT2111
    ... Are positional overalls weighted differently?
    The answer is yes. OVR is basically a weighted average of (some of) player attributes, and the weight is different for each position according to what skills are valued for that position.
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    • HolyStroke3
      Pro
      • Sep 2011
      • 693

      #3
      Re: Changing a players position and overalls

      It's not cheating, and he's still the same player. Based on the game's weighted values for skills at different positions, he's a better fit at second base.

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      • young22
        Banned
        • Feb 2017
        • 2083

        #4
        Re: Changing a players position and overalls

        Originally posted by HolyStroke3
        It's not cheating, and he's still the same player. Based on the game's weighted values for skills at different positions, he's a better fit at second base.
        Second basemen can be like a 90 overall without even having attributes in the 80s, I've found. Moved a 3B with 72-78 in every attribute but speed (87) to 2B, and he was a 92.

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        • CujoMatty
          Member of Rush Nation
          • Oct 2007
          • 5444

          #5
          Re: Changing a players position and overalls

          How do people feel about changing a players position?

          I traded for Schwarber and not only did i have no use for him in left field but from what i understand hes not the greatest at it anyways. I also have no use for him at catcher and apparently hes not great at that either anyways.

          I read a bunch of articles about him saying that the cubs thought he could play first but obviously Rizzo plays first so that doesnt work but ideally in the national league with no DH first base makes the most sense for Schwarber, who at any position, is probably a liability.

          So i changed him to 1B. I dunno why but I feel like I cheated. I feel like its reasonable to change a players position if it makes sense that a real life team would do that but I cant seem to shake the feeling I cheated.

          Curious to know how others feel about it.
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          • TGov
            MVP
            • Mar 2012
            • 1169

            #6
            Re: Changing a players position and overalls

            Originally posted by CujoMatty
            How do people feel about changing a players position?

            I traded for Schwarber and not only did i have no use for him in left field but from what i understand hes not the greatest at it anyways. I also have no use for him at catcher and apparently hes not great at that either anyways.

            I read a bunch of articles about him saying that the cubs thought he could play first but obviously Rizzo plays first so that doesnt work but ideally in the national league with no DH first base makes the most sense for Schwarber, who at any position, is probably a liability.

            So i changed him to 1B. I dunno why but I feel like I cheated. I feel like its reasonable to change a players position if it makes sense that a real life team would do that but I cant seem to shake the feeling I cheated.

            Curious to know how others feel about it.
            Also curious about this as well...

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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #7
              Re: Changing a players position and overalls

              Originally posted by CujoMatty
              How do people feel about changing a players position?

              I traded for Schwarber and not only did i have no use for him in left field but from what i understand hes not the greatest at it anyways. I also have no use for him at catcher and apparently hes not great at that either anyways.

              I read a bunch of articles about him saying that the cubs thought he could play first but obviously Rizzo plays first so that doesnt work but ideally in the national league with no DH first base makes the most sense for Schwarber, who at any position, is probably a liability.

              So i changed him to 1B. I dunno why but I feel like I cheated. I feel like its reasonable to change a players position if it makes sense that a real life team would do that but I cant seem to shake the feeling I cheated.
              Curious to know how others feel about it.
              I think its reasonable to picture the Cubs using Schwarber at 1B, esp. if something were to happen to Rizzo, but mainly just to give Rizzo a day off. and to get Schwarber more AB's DH him in IL games (obviously, d'uh).
              the ideal thing for the Cubs (you) to do is trade him for maximum return, whether that be prospect(s) or another MLB ready player of equal talent or potential or pitching, esp. if it saves you moolah in the process.
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              • rtwilli4
                Banned
                • Nov 2016
                • 226

                #8
                Re: Changing a players position and overalls

                Originally posted by CujoMatty
                How do people feel about changing a players position?

                I traded for Schwarber and not only did i have no use for him in left field but from what i understand hes not the greatest at it anyways. I also have no use for him at catcher and apparently hes not great at that either anyways.

                I read a bunch of articles about him saying that the cubs thought he could play first but obviously Rizzo plays first so that doesnt work but ideally in the national league with no DH first base makes the most sense for Schwarber, who at any position, is probably a liability.

                So i changed him to 1B. I dunno why but I feel like I cheated. I feel like its reasonable to change a players position if it makes sense that a real life team would do that but I cant seem to shake the feeling I cheated.

                Curious to know how others feel about it.
                I don't think it's cheating. If Rizzo went down with a big injury, the Cubs would definitely think about moving Schwarber to first.

                If you're worried about realism, you could just play him at 1st for the rest of the season w/o changing his position. He'll take a ratings hit as 1st is not his secondary position, but it's not like he'll let everything get past.

                Then in the offseason you can change his position, which should boost his performance. This is likely the way it would play out in real life. He'd get a lot of work in during the off season and would end up being replacement level or better.

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                • Caulfield
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 10986

                  #9
                  Re: Changing a players position and overalls

                  what about someone like Cal Ripken and Ozzie Smith, how do you guys feel about, in an alternate universe, them moving to 2B? though they never played there IRL, they could realistically be expected to handle the move easily? and Ripken even, in his latter years could be realistically expected to move from 3B to 1B if needed? and the ''if needed'' is the main reason, because I would imagine their unique skill set were what made them so valuable at SS that one would prefer to leave them at SS unless needed.
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                  • ninertravel
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 4833

                    #10
                    Re: Changing a players position and overalls

                    I wish that damm Overall stat was non existed to many people look at that are argue about who should be higher then another

                    god you could put a guys fielder stats to 0 and max out his hitting stats to 99 and he would be rated in the 50s. and people would look at the overall and nothing else.

                    Time to hide the Overall stat

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                    • Caulfield
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 10986

                      #11
                      Re: Changing a players position and overalls

                      Time to avoid threads that OVERALL is the topic
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