Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

[Bunselpower32]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

I think the clutch rating in the game is an absolute complete crock of .....Statistically its been proven clutch is a myth. If anything, players overall perform worse than normal in tight situations. Stratomatic baseball base their player outcomes on real statistics and have a model for calculating this, and for almost every player statistics for favourable outcomes lower slightly in 'pressure' moments. Having it in the game skews things and gives it a predetirmined feel when games dont follow the expected course.

Id be interested to know if mlb the show come up with their player ratings on a statistical model or just their own subjective interpretation. I get the feeling its the latter.

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Clutch hitting is undeniably there. But I think we've been looking at clutch wrong. Some players are better in the clutch than others, so it leads us to believe that they get better. But what actually happens is other players get worse. So to me, instead of bonuses, the should be penalties. A clutch rating of 99 should result in no change to the hitter's abilities and a rating of 50 should result in moderate penalties.

I think in game though, it helps the human players (who aren't so cold blooded in the clutch) cover their own bad clutch play and use clutch guys effectively. Unfortunately this is a two edged sword in that the AI gets that bonus too.

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[Caulfield]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

clutch stats vary drastically from year to year so if if examine someone like Captain Clutch Derek Jeter in 2000 late and close situautions he hit .348, in 2002 he hit .238 and for his career he hit .283 late and close, while his career average for all at bats was .310 (his career avg. with men on base was .309, which seems to be what the Show uses for Clutch)
still its great to have a clutch attribute to help differentiate between players, so long as its only a very small boost or subtraction.

incidentally it looks like clutch might kick in whenever there are any runners on base because to get the Pressure Cooker Quirk you need a minimum 85 clutch.
as an aside wish they'd rename this badge Captain Clutch next year, unless thats trademarked by Jeter.

also whenever I'm recreating players from a by-gone era, I use WHIP for pitchers clutch and OPS for hitters clutch because I only want the best players to be clutch, not some .235 hitter who happened to hit 15 for 30 with men on base.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

i've always presumed clutch would effect BAwRISP more than anything.

[ROTTEN]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

No outcome is predetermined in the game.

Do you have proof of this?

[Caulfield]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

Do you have proof of this?

devs have stated it here time and again. I have seen the worst teams beat the best teams about as much as can be expected
and most importantly, I have seen no proof that the Show IS scripted or any evidence of predetermined outcomes

[underdog13]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

Do you have proof of this?

Because there has never been a single shred of evidence that there is.

And dev says otherwise - https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/..._are_scripted/

And now I'm leaving this thread.

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[woody2goody]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

I just find that when I'm hitting really well, I become less patient as I'm expecting to hit everything all over the stadium.

When i take a step back, take some pitches and wait for good ones it tends to come back. It has taken me a while to figure this out and even then I still fall back into it every 20 games or so.

You will have slumps, but stopping them quickly is the key to any prolonged success.

[bkrich83]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

These threads usually turn into dumpster fires. Once again, there is no pre-determining of outcomes. The end.

Yes the ratings are or at the very least were determined by a statistical model. I remember reading one article that said there was no human input on the ratings or almost none. That was a few years back, not sure what if anything has changed.

[ninertravel]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

I think in a way it is scripted you know if someone like Mike Trout is in a cold streak, that it's 100% chance he will come out of it without a doubt, say if he in the first 2 weeks is hitting 180. you just know he will be 'due' and then blast his AVG up to 330 within a few games.

this does happened in the real world however, but not always what you think will happened, that's the problem with ratings in a Video game, it can be scripted to fit that way.

[Nolove626]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

I think the clutch rating in the game is an absolute complete crock of .....Statistically its been proven clutch is a myth. If anything, players overall perform worse than normal in tight situations. Stratomatic baseball base their player outcomes on real statistics and have a model for calculating this, and for almost every player statistics for favourable outcomes lower slightly in 'pressure' moments. Having it in the game skews things and gives it a predetirmined feel when games dont follow the expected course.

Id be interested to know if mlb the show come up with their player ratings on a statistical model or just their own subjective interpretation. I get the feeling its the latter.

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Clutch rating is basically your hitters ability to hit with runners in scoring position. Same for pitchers. I don't think it effects late game scenarios unless their is runners in scoring position but I could be wrong.

[My993C2]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

I am a MoM player, so my joystick skills (or lack of skills) have been completely removed from the equation. I don't control the batters swings and because of this, I am not chasing bad pitches adding to their poor performances game. I believe I can say "The game is not scripted in terms of how the games are played inning to inning. There is no comeback code or anything like that". However with that said, there does appear to be some sort of logic in the code in regards to when players turn cold and once they are cold, they won't perform the way you want them to perform. If you ignore when your players go cold, it will take them longer to snap out of their cold streaks. They really do need to sit on the bench for 'x' number of innings or games. Now what is the right amount of time to sit a player? That I can not tell you, because each instance appears to be different. I tend to sit my players for 2 games the moment they go cold and more times than not, this seems to be the secret sauce to getting them off their cold snaps. But there is no guarantees. Sometimes it just seems to be random.

Now cold snaps do occur in the real world. But this game seems to artificially just make players all of a sudden go cold. So yeah there likely is some sort of scripting going on behind the scenes despite what I said earlier about the game not being scripted.

[HighCmpPct]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

Real life baseball is scripted, as in its scripted if you play baseball it's scripted you are going to get into a slump. The better you're playing the easier it is to get into one as well.

Now into why they are so hard to get out off on the Show? Well think about what you're doing in a slump as opposed to a hot streak when you're at the plate.

Cold streak: You're thinking about your low/falling avg. Checking it, thinking about how you're 0-2 again already. Stressful thinking = Tense at-bat = Continued bad performance. Continue bad performance which is INDICATED by the cold streak results in declining morale and declining attributes.

Hot Streak: You see your good looking stats you're thinking he's going good okay I'm gonna rip this. You're relaxed, if you make an out it's okay your .avg is still fine and you'll get him next time. Stress-free thinking = Relaxed at-bat = Continued hard hit balls = Good performaces. Continued good performance which is INDICATED by the hot streak, results in increased morale and increased attributes.

Sorry for any typos on the phone.

[wilo28]

Re: Anybody else feel like slumps are scripted?

Just wish this game had an actual physics based hitting system using a cursor, like PYS. Nothing beats that game. I personally have given up on the show. Its way too scripted for my taste.