AI bullpen usage

[gp005]

just played a 3 game series vs Nationals and me playing as braves in yr 2 of franchise.....
in all 3 game CPU used exact same pen (hitting got real easy lol), while all games had different scenarios being played out....the trend stays the same in sim games aswell...
i've been playing the show for years and for some reason this year im not enjoying it as much... when i see a teams play 30 games (franchise) and RP's appearing in 22 of them all across the league while closers and set-up men not even appearing in 10 ball games, it becomes a big downer for me. other than this, its a great game

i know last year SDS patched in new Bullpen logic, i hope this year they can do the same

[dougdeuce]

Re: AI bullpen usage

I see this a lot as well.

In fact, my SP in RTTS is relieved by the same pitcher in every single outing. Every time I get pulled it's one pitcher with the exception of me being pulled to start the 9th in a save situation.

[gp005]

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i hear you,, the game becomes repetitive..

its too bad cause otherwise its the best version of the show, hands down!

[gp005]

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i've yet to see a closer come in the 9th to keep the game close in a 1 or 2 run game... same with set-up guys

[squashbuggie]

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I suggest that you label the closer as "RP" and have 2-LRP's and no set-up men. have your top four RP's in the MRP slots and you will see better sim stats. you need to chop LRP stamina to no more than 25. however, they will still over-use and you need to QM parts of game to get real stats.
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[gp005]

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its the QM for 30 teams i dont want to get in to... i dont recall it being this off last year ( when betances and andrew miller appear in only 6 games out of 30) thats a deal breaker for me.... i already do 30 team and keep track of injuries and line up, etc.. with this its getting too much "managing", id like to play the game too lol

[Bullit]

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its the QM for 30 teams i dont want to get in to... i dont recall it being this off last year ( when betances and andrew miller appear in only 6 games out of 30) thats a deal breaker for me.... i already do 30 team and keep track of injuries and line up, etc.. with this its getting too much "managing", id like to play the game too lol

Which is exactly why I have gone back to '16. While I am not saying that '17 is bad. '16 plays so much better with a whole lot less effort. I don't have to chase sliders, make adjustments every game and situation. I just get to play and have fun.

[JayD]

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Another thing to note about the AI bullpen management is that the CPU never sets their relievers to "ready & waiting". What happens is that their relievers will warm up for 3 plus innings which eventually will start to eat away at their energy. What you have to do is keep an eye on the CPU bullpen and once their relievers are fully warm you then must switch over to their team and manually set them as "ready & waiting". If you do not do this you'll see them put in a reliever with 1/4 energy. This doesn't require 30 team control. Armor & Sword helped to identify the issue and find an easy yet annoying fix.

[dalger21]

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Noticed that in the AL, relievers go 4 or more innings regularly in RttS. I saw a reliever throw 100+ pitches. It wasn't for an injury or "take one for the team" type of thing either.

[gp005]

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Which is exactly why I have gone back to '16. While I am not saying that '17 is bad. '16 plays so much better with a whole lot less effort. I don't have to chase sliders, make adjustments every game and situation. I just get to play and have fun.

i hear you... i just love all the additions that 17 has as far as equipment and gameplay..... i had a hard time playing 16 once 17 released... i guess i will just wait for the "patch" (might be a while) lol ... and be a 30 team manager till then

[gp005]

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Noticed that in the AL, relievers go 4 or more innings regularly in RttS. I saw a reliever throw 100+ pitches. It wasn't for an injury or "take one for the team" type of thing either.

ive seen this before... i notice its usually in blow out games i.e. 9-1, 8-2, 10-0 etc...

[Bullit]

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i hear you... i just love all the additions that 17 has as far as equipment and gameplay..... i had a hard time playing 16 once 17 released... i guess i will just wait for the "patch" (might be a while) lol ... and be a 30 team manager till then

I did too. But then I realized having fun was more important. I just dont want to play a game that i have to continually tinker with everything to get it to work all of the time.

[gp005]

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I did too. But then I realized having fun was more important. I just dont want to play a game that i have to continually tinker with everything to get it to work all of the time.

right now im in yr 3 of my franchise and i tell myself that this is how new baseball will be in 2020...lol
but im thinking of trying 16 again,, we'll see..

[Armor and Sword]

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The team is looking into both issues (warm up too long/not setting to ready and waiting and closers being pulled in save situations).

So sit tight.

The closer pull has only happened to me in 2 games out of 75 plus franchise/season mode games played to date.

The warm up issue is every game and might be a simple fix.


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[nomo17k]

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The team is looking into both issues (warm up too long/not setting to ready and waiting and closers being pulled in save situations).

So sit tight.

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Has the developers actually acknowledged these issues already and/or are there bug reports?

I don't doubt there will be another patch (or perhaps two), but I am not sure if there was any indication that they are specifically looking into the bullpen issues.

I'm realizing reliever energy exhaustion issue might be a more significant issue than I have tended to think... especially with many setting Manager Hook slider to something low to minimize unrealistic early hooks of starters, that tend to make CPU leave some relievers too long when they have low energy.

I am seeing quite a few blowouts happen this way... when a starter gets pulled early, CPU manager put in a mediocre (long) reliever in to pitch a few innings, potentially exhausting energy. But the game is already wide open so CPU lets the reliever eat some innings anyway, and with confidence/energy pretty much zeroed out he continues to pitch poorly.

So it's kind of a runaway situation.