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  • jeffy777
    MVP
    • Jan 2009
    • 3325

    #31
    Re: Pitcher confidence

    Originally posted by wellred
    I also don't buy into confidence being more pronounced on directional. For a skilled hitter it's always going to be easier to smash the ball on zone, I get way more solid contact on zone hitting irrespective of the current game scenario. But why should the quadrants the pitcher is spotting his pitches in matter when your pci is basically random? A broken clock that is right twice a day is still going to be right twice a day regardless of what time zone it's in. Theoretically the pci placement should be 'right' about it being down the middle just as often as it's right about it being up and in.
    It's not that confidence is necessarily more pronounced, it's just that it's easier to hit against a confident pitcher with zone because you aren't at the mercy of a random PCI. Even if you leave the PCI in the middle and just wait for him to make a mistake, you're more likely to be successful with zone. With directional, the pitcher can groove one down the middle and you can time it perfectly...and still miss, which can be very disheatening since a pitcher with high confidence doesn't generally leave too many down the middle, so your opportunities are few and far between. So essentially, it's just easier to break a pitcher's confidence with zone, which will cause him to make more mistakes which you can continue to capitalize on.

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    • Pwrslide2
      Rookie
      • Jun 2017
      • 16

      #32
      Re: Pitcher confidence

      In the long quote it talks about a 5th starter. Wtf. The starters are randomly selected which is garbage and you can't put a starter in your Long relief bullpen. So dumb.

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      • countryboy
        Growing pains
        • Sep 2003
        • 52785

        #33
        Re: Pitcher confidence

        Originally posted by Pwrslide2
        In the long quote it talks about a 5th starter. Wtf. The starters are randomly selected which is garbage and you can't put a starter in your Long relief bullpen. So dumb.

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        In what way are the starters randomly selected? And why can't you put a starter in the LR spot?

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        • Pwrslide2
          Rookie
          • Jun 2017
          • 16

          #34
          Re: Pitcher confidence

          Diamond Dynasty mode against the cpu. You can't select starter nor put a SP in your bullpen.

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          • countryboy
            Growing pains
            • Sep 2003
            • 52785

            #35
            Re: Pitcher confidence

            Originally posted by Pwrslide2
            Diamond Dynasty mode against the cpu. You can't select starter nor put a SP in your bullpen.

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            Oh ok.

            Not really sure what this has to do with the topic at hand but..
            I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

            I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


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            • Shergie51
              Banned
              • Aug 2014
              • 143

              #36
              Pitcher confidence

              As an intersted and unbiased observer here are my thoughts:

              1) while i dont have any resentment or reason to believe the developer would lie, I had issues from my own experiences reading that post

              2) I originally sided against the OP, as it did seem like a rant and he seemed immature

              3) nomo has been around a while and I respect his opinion's, but no I would not believe you if you said you saw a unicorn or whatever and neither should anyone. The guy provided you with clear evidence or a way for you to test it yourself and chose not to go into BP and see for yourself...it does seem you will blindly believe the developer, but perhaps you do not have a choice so to speak

              4) wellreds argument is the only argument that offers information to replicate this in a setting equal to everyone and that everyone can go and see for themselves. If u dont try it, you can't hate on the OP and say that no matter what anyone tells him he will just say they are wrong because you were doing the same thing. Wellred has the strongest argument and I believe it, but I wouldn't believe him if he told me he saw a pink unicorn

              5) I had thought of posting a thread on why it seems I get shelled so much in the first inning but then go on to pitch a great game, and why there are so many late inning comebacks, but I believe now that this is the answer: pitcher confidence needing to be built up when a pitcher first enters the game.

              6) so I was unbiased but now i totally agree with the whole confidence being important side. Which kind of sucks because now what am I supposed to think about the developer. I actually wish I wouldn't have come to this conclusion.

              7) they are the only baseball game in town now so why does the developer say he won't release the logic because of competition.

              8) The people that say confidence just affects location are over emphasizing the importance of pitch location in this game. While it is super important in real life, it is clearly not the most important factor in this game, Otherwise pitchers control/vel/break would be important attributes but they are not.

              9) I think with the addition of other posters agreeing with the OP, people who disagree need to stop chalking it up to just another complainer or ranter. I think like me they never really pay attention to pitch confidence and are quick to dismiss some of the claims

              10) case closed-Pitch confidence heavily affects outcomes. LOL


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              • Integ
                Rookie
                • May 2007
                • 94

                #37
                Re: Pitcher confidence

                Pitch confidence is so reliant that I can paint a well placed 0-2 2 seamer with no confidence on the corner vs a pitcher with 0 hitting attributes and he'll smoke it for a hard single. Pitch confidence makes me use nothing but offspeed because once a pitch starts to deteriorate it's virtually useless even against said 0 hitting attribute pitcher. Pitch confidence is EVERYTHING to getting hits. As soon as the cpu starter gains full confidence the only thing you can hope for is that he gets tired before the game is over because after that it's nothing but nubbers and popouts with the occasional rocket off the pitcher that the 3B barehands and throws you out at first. Your flat out in denial if you say pitcher confidence isn't 95% related to hitter success.

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                • The Chef
                  Moderator
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 13684

                  #38
                  Re: Pitcher confidence

                  I only have 2 real issues with the pitch confidence setup. First, it penalizes you for making smart baseball decisions like intentionally walking someone or pitching around a big bat because he lacks protection in the order. Case in point awhile back I was playing LAA and Mike Trout was up, 2 outs, bottom 9th up by 1 run with runners on 1st and 2nd. I walked Trout to get to Cron, much better matchup and Cron had been terrible all series, problem is my closer's confidence tanked and he couldn't locate anything after that intentional walk, Cron got a hit and won them the game.

                  Second issue has already been mentioned. When the CPU SP's confidence gets high he can do no wrong. His control seems to remain closely tied to his actual control ratings but now when he hangs something or leaves something over the heart of the plate it's hit at someone, lofted for an easy out, popped up or tapped back to the SP, either way resulting in an easy out. Then those outs work to escalate the CPU SP's confidence even more and by that time I'm just hoping to get anything off him or pray he gets pulled due to fatigue.
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