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  • countryboy
    Growing pains
    • Sep 2003
    • 52785

    #16
    Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

    Originally posted by rjackson
    It is going to happen sometimes, sure. Make sure you are not only remembering those times that it doesn't work and point out to yourself the times that it does. For the record, I also don't shift my OF right or left, just deep or shallow. Hamilton would have been much more like to hit a fly ball to left in your example rather than a grounder.


    I know that it will happen sometimes, but the frequency at which I've experienced it happening negates the strategy of doing the extreme shift.




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    • stealyerface
      MVP
      • Feb 2004
      • 1803

      #17
      Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

      I use it almost every game, based on the tendencies from the pause menu.

      Hit the Directional Pad to call up the Player Movement Screen, and then hit Triangle, to call up the percentages of where the player's spray chart indicates a defensive maneuver.

      I very much play the percentages, and there is just nothing better than moving the infield to the Extreme Right shift, and having the heavy-hitting lefty ground out to the second baseman sitting in the right-field pocket.

      The caveat to this is making sure you pitch in accordance to your shift play. Pulling the entire infield over the the right to cover the pull-hitter, and then pounding the zone with fastballs away, is a recipe for doubles and extra bases.

      Want to shift on the righty power-hitter, and make him pay for his inability to take a ball the other way? Pound him inside, and then drop a deuce on him to get him to make a weak roller to the left.

      The one thing I often do is hedge my bet on the Extreme Right shirt, and I highlight my third baseman, and have him hug the third base line. With one guy on the left side, the chances of making a play on a ball hit the opposite way are slim anyway, so I protect against the extra base, and stick to that line, and every now and then I get lucky and the lefty hits an oppo-rocket, and my 3B makes the play.

      Because I play with the clean screen always, I allow myself a pregame scouting for each batter, and I write down the lineup, I chart my pitch locations to stay away from, and I decide whether or not I need to shift, or play a tendency situation-ally.

      After the first at bat, I no longer peek, and have to rely on real-life stuff that I know about each hitter, or based on my notes and scouting intel from the first rack.

      I love the ability to not only shift, but to shift specific players and positions, and I use it every game.
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      • punx317
        OuttaNaptown
        • Jan 2015
        • 168

        #18
        Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

        I shift infield especially situationally but i usually keep my outfielders straight up or deep. For big time games I set players individually

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        • forme95
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          • Nov 2013
          • 3118

          #19
          Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

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          • Syce
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            • Dec 2012
            • 1386

            #20
            Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

            i do occasionally, but i have been finding that my team is much better defensively without the need for the shift.
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            • underdog13
              MVP
              • Apr 2012
              • 3222

              #21
              Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

              Originally posted by forme95
              Do the %age change throughout the year, or are they fixed?
              Static, and frankly I don't think they have any gameplay impact. Just the label of pull, extreme pull, push, balanced, etc.

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              • Jr.
                Playgirl Coverboy
                • Feb 2003
                • 19171

                #22
                Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                Originally posted by TheWarmWind
                I always wanted to set shifts before first pitch, but I found issues with that when faced with a double play situation. (I need to manually set the shift back). Since I sometimes forget to set the shift, playing with Auto-shifting always seemed the safest bet.

                I was wondering though, does changing the shift setting to manual make it easier to manage? Or will I just get caught with my pants down a few times.

                I really wish we could scout players and set permanent shift strategies between games on guys we have scouted. It's really annoying having to change the shift every game/AB/situation manually. Wish we could do the same to our own guys... my batting averages would be lower (and more realistic) if teams just played the shift against certain people in my lineup.
                Yeah it does cause some issues for sure. Sometimes I'll get a shift for the next guy in the lineup put on for the guy hitting and I give up easy hits if I don't see it.

                I have it on manual and I get caught sometimes. I'm pretty used to checking the bottom corner for what shift is on, but sometimes that's wrong so I have to recheck. It's a bit tedious and annoying, but I think it's cool playing with guys in different positions and it makes me feel really smart when it works and a guy hits right into my shift haha.
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                • Caulfield
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 10986

                  #23
                  Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                  when the defense shifts I dont change their positioning back and I usually dont even notice they have shifted. I also dont change my approach to the hitter. Maybe I should but I havent experienced the batter beating the shift an inordinate amount of times. Because of that I voted ''No'' but maybe I voted wrong. I think I need to start paying attention more to what the fielders behind me are doing.when it comes to hitting I dont normall try to beat the shift by altering my approach to the plate. I just let the chips fall where they may and swing away, though if I have a speedy hitter I might try a bunt down third on the first pitch.
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                  • esdot404
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                    • Mar 2008
                    • 183

                    #24
                    Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                    Depending on the mode. I use it when playing against the CPU in regular game, or season. I began to turn it off when playing DD online. Mostly because all the late swinging / oppo hits with great contact ends up hurting the auto shifts.


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                    • Caulfield
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 10986

                      #25
                      Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                      got a question, this thread'll do as good as any:

                      if I change everybody's tendency to ''Balance'', will that get rid of most of the CPU shifting?
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                      • countryboy
                        Growing pains
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 52785

                        #26
                        Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                        Originally posted by Caulfield
                        got a question, this thread'll do as good as any:

                        if I change everybody's tendency to ''Balance'', will that get rid of most of the CPU shifting?
                        I can't say with 100% certainty, but based on when the CPU shifts and the tendency of the hitters, I would say yes.

                        I've never seen the CPU shift against a WHOLE FIELD hitter.

                        In fact the only time I've seen the shift is against an EXTREME PULL hitter, so in theory you could just change EXTREME PULL/OPPOSITE hitters to PULL/OPPOSITE and eliminate the CPU/AUTO shift.
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                        • ML
                          Eli for HOF
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 1973

                          #27
                          Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                          Much like the OP states, I always find myself pitching to the opposite plate of the shift, and then I give up a double down the line.

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                          • Caulfield
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 10986

                            #28
                            Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                            really weird, I was able to change everybody on Baltimore into Whole Field tendency except Chris Davis. his tendency would only change to pull hitter. I even tinkered with his stance thinking that might help to no avail. of course it still saying pull hitter might just be cosmetic. I'll play a game later and see if the defence shifts.
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                            • bacon96
                              Bacon's Fictional Roster
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 1963

                              #29
                              Re: Do you utilize the strategy of the shift?

                              I currently do not and never really have because it isn't immersive enough. There needs to be more options for where to shift mostly. I'd like to see some sort of a mechanic where you can drag & drop a player to a specific part of the field and save the shift for that hitter - see Joey Gallo and other extremes.

                              I'd also love to see the ability to save shifts for specific situations and SDS already has something like this with the few defaults that are given but I'd like to see those be fully customizable within franchise or with each profile.

                              If these changes go in, then yes, I'll use the shift to its fullest.
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