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  • Shergie51
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    • Aug 2014
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    #1

    Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

    Not sure why or how they figure body type into the equation of a players overall but they do.

    I noticed when i accidentally changed john smoltz from normal to buff and his ovr went from 88 to 90.

    As a whole this game is just too arbitrary and random to me. I don't feel like I "control" the outcomes of what happens on the field. Its all like a big nest of attributes and sliders and patches and dice rolls and waist sizes and more patches and overreactions and forum complaints and timing issues and online players crying complaints and more patches...

    Throw me a meat pitch on my mobile app game, and if i time it right and place the bat cursor at the perfect spot im gonna crush it. If you throw me that same exact meat pitch with that same exact pitcher and i time it perfect and place The bat cursor just perfect I'm going to crush it again.

    Not so with mlb the show. One might get crushed and the other one will probably get popped up. Or fouled. Or even missed entirely. Just draw a result out of a hat each time.

    Yea i get real life argument. This is NOT real life. No matter how hard you try to make this real life or wish it was your real life, i mean wish it was real life, it is not.

    It is nice/satisfying to jump on a fastball and yank it for a homerun. It was also nice/satisfying to be fooled on a changeup and whiff badly. It is not nice/satisfying to time and jump on a hanging curveball and foul it back or miss it. If that is satisfying to you then why don't you go to team select, put your controller in the middle, and watch the game?

    The difficulty should come from actually trying to duplicate being perfect considering the various pitches and speeds and locations as well as pitchers delivery type effecting your ability to pick up on the pitch, not from the cpu already deciding beforehand what the most likely outcomes will be with pitcher A facing hitter B and giving the user like a 3% chance of effecting this predetermined outcome (or whatever the actual % is).





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    Last edited by Shergie51; 07-23-2017, 06:01 PM.
  • TheWarmWind
    MVP
    • Apr 2015
    • 2620

    #2
    Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

    You can use sliders to make the game more arcade like. Increasing solid hits will reward good inputs more, and reducing foul frequency and timing will punish bad inputs more.

    Just an FYI... we all have our own preference on how we like to play the game. Personally I'm a sim/arcade hybrid kind of guy.

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    • Caulfield
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      • Apr 2011
      • 10986

      #3
      Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

      Originally posted by Shergie51
      Not sure why or how they figure body type into the equation of a players overall but they do.

      I noticed when i accidentally changed john smoltz from normal to buff and his ovr went from 88 to 90
      this is interesting but I havent been able to duplicate it. I'll keep searching through random players.

      Originally posted by Shergie51
      It is nice/satisfying to jump on a fastball and yank it for a homerun. It was also nice/satisfying to be fooled on a changeup and whiff badly. It is not nice/satisfying to time and jump on a hanging curveball and foul it back or miss it. If that is satisfying to you then why don't you go to team select, put your controller in the middle, and watch the game?
      I dont think the satisfaction comes in the actual fouling or missing of a pitch, but from when you straighten one out for a hit. which you cant do if the controller isnt in your hands.
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      • countryboy
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        • Sep 2003
        • 52775

        #4
        Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

        I like how this starts out as a topic on body types changing ratings to a full blown rant about how the game plays.

        The OP went off topic of his own thread in the very first post!!


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        • JTommy67
          Pro
          • Jul 2012
          • 598

          #5
          Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

          Was this a carry-over franchise/season file from a previous version?

          If so, that might explain the change. I don't think the game updates a player's overall rating until you edit him in some way.

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          • gp005
            Rookie
            • Jan 2017
            • 280

            #6
            Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

            Originally posted by Shergie51
            Not sure why or how they figure body type into the equation of a players overall but they do.

            I noticed when i accidentally changed john smoltz from normal to buff and his ovr went from 88 to 90.

            As a whole this game is just too arbitrary and random to me. I don't feel like I "control" the outcomes of what happens on the field. Its all like a big nest of attributes and sliders and patches and dice rolls and waist sizes and more patches and overreactions and forum complaints and timing issues and online players crying complaints and more patches...

            Throw me a meat pitch on my mobile app game, and if i time it right and place the bat cursor at the perfect spot im gonna crush it. If you throw me that same exact meat pitch with that same exact pitcher and i time it perfect and place The bat cursor just perfect I'm going to crush it again.

            Not so with mlb the show. One might get crushed and the other one will probably get popped up. Or fouled. Or even missed entirely. Just draw a result out of a hat each time.

            Yea i get real life argument. This is NOT real life. No matter how hard you try to make this real life or wish it was your real life, i mean wish it was real life, it is not.

            It is nice/satisfying to jump on a fastball and yank it for a homerun. It was also nice/satisfying to be fooled on a changeup and whiff badly. It is not nice/satisfying to time and jump on a hanging curveball and foul it back or miss it. If that is satisfying to you then why don't you go to team select, put your controller in the middle, and watch the game?

            The difficulty should come from actually trying to duplicate being perfect considering the various pitches and speeds and locations as well as pitchers delivery type effecting your ability to pick up on the pitch, not from the cpu already deciding beforehand what the most likely outcomes will be with pitcher A facing hitter B and giving the user like a 3% chance of effecting this predetermined outcome (or whatever the actual % is).





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            i dont know if i can agree with you... ive seen plenty "meat pitches" to major league players get a popped up... a great player is one who fails 7 times out of 10

            if every meat pitch was a home run then we'd be complaining about too many balls crushed... in my opinion this game simulates reality to its best version thus far and aside some glitches (animation )is the best version of the show

            however, as for body types..i think that you changing Smoltz body type only brought his rating back to normal.. there may have been some moral issue bringing him down.. almost like a reset i think
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            • underdog13
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              • Apr 2012
              • 3222

              #7
              Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

              Overalls are different on different screens for some reason. That's what is the likely explanation.

              Changing body type doesn't affect overall.

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              • Shergie51
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                • Aug 2014
                • 143

                #8
                Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                Originally posted by Caulfield
                this is interesting but I havent been able to duplicate it. I'll keep searching through random players.







                I dont think the satisfaction comes in the actual fouling or missing of a pitch, but from when you straighten one out for a hit. which you cant do if the controller isnt in your hands.


                Really? I was using the roster "2007-25man" sorry i forget the name of who put the roster out there but whoever you are you did an awesome job because it's it's a full accurate 90-man roster. I just dowmloaded it and went to edit rosters.

                Also, i agree with with that too, i was just giving an example. Also i was being sarcastic at ghe end.



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                • Shergie51
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                  • Aug 2014
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                  #9
                  Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                  Originally posted by countryboy
                  I like how this starts out as a topic on body types changing ratings to a full blown rant about how the game plays.

                  The OP went off topic of his own thread in the very first post!!


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                  Lol. You are right i did do that. Lol. I i didnt mean to. I think im reaching the end though, but im trying to hold on! Lol But using quick game and just controlling the pitching still has me hooked.


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                  • Shergie51
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                    • Aug 2014
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                    #10
                    Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                    Originally posted by JTommy67
                    Was this a carry-over franchise/season file from a previous version?

                    If so, that might explain the change. I don't think the game updates a player's overall rating until you edit him in some way.


                    No it was in the vault. One of the bigger/more popular 2007 rosters.

                    And yeah, changing his body type is editing him.


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                    • Shergie51
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                      • Aug 2014
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                      #11
                      Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                      Originally posted by gp005
                      i dont know if i can agree with you... ive seen plenty "meat pitches" to major league players get a popped up... a great player is one who fails 7 times out of 10



                      if every meat pitch was a home run then we'd be complaining about too many balls crushed... in my opinion this game simulates reality to its best version thus far and aside some glitches (animation )is the best version of the show



                      however, as for body types..i think that you changing Smoltz body type only brought his rating back to normal.. there may have been some moral issue bringing him down.. almost like a reset i think

                      1. Why did you leave out the fact that i also said i had the bat in exact same perfect swing and the exact same perfect location and timing? Basically, if i repeat the exact same physics or whatever it would be. Again you are giving me this real life argument. Nobody said i wanted to go better than 3 for 10. If you repeat the same laws of physics 10 times, do you only get the same result 3 out of 10 times? If the real life average against meat pitches is .300? If thats true, whats the average for non-meat pitches?

                      2. Who said anything about a homerun? I said crush it. You can crush a line drive straight to the 2nd baseman. You can crush a long foul ball. You could crush a low liner that the CF slides and robs you of a hit.

                      3. Lol. You dont think im smart enough to figure out if it was a moral issue? Come on man i wasnt even in franchise.

                      Why would you be so quick to disagree with everything im saying, when you dont even know anything im saying. Lol

                      I shouldnt have went on a tangent tho, so i apologize.







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                      • Shergie51
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                        • Aug 2014
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                        #12
                        Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                        Originally posted by underdog13
                        Overalls are different on different screens for some reason. That's what is the likely explanation.

                        Changing body type doesn't affect overall.

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                        Really???? Wow...thats crazy. Lol


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                        • Shergie51
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                          • Aug 2014
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                          #13
                          Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                          Originally posted by underdog13
                          Overalls are different on different screens for some reason. That's what is the likely explanation.

                          Changing body type doesn't affect overall.

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                          It changed it on mine...but really not a big deal


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                          • Shergie51
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                            #14
                            Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                            How do i delete this thread?


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                            • gp005
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                              • Jan 2017
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                              #15
                              Re: Body Type Affects Overall Rating?

                              Originally posted by Shergie51
                              1. Why did you leave out the fact that i also said i had the bat in exact same perfect swing and the exact same perfect location and timing? Basically, if i repeat the exact same physics or whatever it would be. Again you are giving me this real life argument. Nobody said i wanted to go better than 3 for 10. If you repeat the same laws of physics 10 times, do you only get the same result 3 out of 10 times? If the real life average against meat pitches is .300? If thats true, whats the average for non-meat pitches?

                              2. Who said anything about a homerun? I said crush it. You can crush a line drive straight to the 2nd baseman. You can crush a long foul ball. You could crush a low liner that the CF slides and robs you of a hit.

                              3. Lol. You dont think im smart enough to figure out if it was a moral issue? Come on man i wasnt even in franchise.

                              Why would you be so quick to disagree with everything im saying, when you dont even know anything im saying. Lol

                              I shouldnt have went on a tangent tho, so i apologize.







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                              as for the body type part , i did say "i think"..
                              im just giving you an opinion, maybe a different angle on the game aswell in hoping that it can bring more fun out of it... i also get annoyed as much as the next guy, thats because i hate losing... hahha..

                              btw.. if you time your swing perfectly, you cant crush a foul ball.... hahaha jks
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