is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

[Padgoi]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Yes... There's comeback logic, albeit to a much more obvious degree on higher difficulty levels.

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[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

I dont really see what's confusing about it, for a real baseball fan. When you give up the runs really is irrelevant. I don't care about that. It does seem to happen an inordinate amount of times when you're leading, which is why people call it 'comeback code' but in the strictest of baseball terms, that doesn't matter, you dont know when the runs are going to come. You play 162 games and the cream rises to the top. If you're giving up a run more per game when you play as opposed to not, and it's out of your control, that means the sim engine used in RTTS PLAYED games is screwed. Simple as that. I don't care about losing leads, I understand the stats and what they mean over the course of a long season, blowing 1 or 5 wins doesnt bother me.


And like I said, I can reproduce this as many times as I want. I can sim a season 10 times, and then play it, and Ill give up a run more per game in the season I played, on average. What are you confused about?

Can we just lock the thread now???

First we are complaining about comeback AI. Now we don't care about blowing leads late in the game and we are complaining about the sim logic of RTTS and giving up 1 more earned run when playing a game vs when we sim the game.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Yes... There's comeback logic, albeit to a much more obvious degree on higher difficulty levels.

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I knew you'd show up.

He's not talking about comeback logic anymore. Now we are discussing the sim engine in RTTS being out of whack. At least I think we're still talking about that.

We may be moving on to something else here shortly.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Can we just lock the thread now???

First we are complaining about comeback AI. Now we don't care about blowing leads late in the game and we are complaining about the sim logic of RTTS and giving up 1 more earned run when playing a game vs when we sim the game.

lol Wow dude you asked for logic and when you get it and it shuts you up you ask for the thread to be locked? Just lol, just bow out of the thread like a grown up or something?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

lol Wow dude you asked for logic and when you get it and it shuts you up you ask for the thread to be locked? Just lol, just bow out of the thread like a grown up or something?

What shut me up?

I'm trying to figure out what you're complaining about...

You started this thread asking about comeback code and when I questioned you on what happens to trigger it, you moved on to discussing giving up 1 ER more playing the games in RTTS vs simming them, which is a completely separate issue.

You even went as far to say that you don't care about losing leads because it happens and you understand the stats.

You're asking me to be a grown up while you're insulting me while changing the subject of your argument? Really?



Question, are we still talking about whether comeback code exists in the game? And by comeback code I'm referring to the idea that you are leading the game until the later innings and then something "clicks" and no matter what you do, or how well you play, the CPU is going win the game?

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

I knew you'd show up.

He's not talking about comeback logic anymore. Now we are discussing the sim engine in RTTS being out of whack. At least I think we're still talking about that.

We may be moving on to something else here shortly.

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. You my friend belong in the latter category if you really cant understand my post. But then I think you understood it just fine, you just blew a fuse cause you know you have no basis for an argument. It happens bru, hang in there


Maybe Nomo will save you, but I think he'd have to concede to my point as well, he'd just be man enough to admit it.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Baseball is like church. Many attend, few understand. You my friend belong in the latter category if you really cant understand my post. But then I think you understood it just fine, you just blew a fuse cause you know you have no basis for an argument. It happens bru, hang in there


Maybe Nomo will save you, but I think he'd have to concede to my point as well, he'd just be man enough to admit it.

WTF?

I'm just trying to understand what you're actual issue is. I even asked a question at the end of my last post trying to verify that you're still inquiring whether comeback code exists in the game or if you're wanting to discuss the sim engine vs actual playing the game in RTTS mode. And again, instead of answering a question you choose to insult me.

You're right, I know nothing about baseball. I only played from T-Ball thru college, but have no idea about the concept of the game or anything about it.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

What shut me up?

I'm trying to figure out what you're complaining about...

You started this thread asking about comeback code and when I questioned you on what happens to trigger it, you moved on to discussing giving up 1 ER more playing the games in RTTS vs simming them, which is a completely separate issue.

You even went as far to say that you don't care about losing leads because it happens and you understand the stats.

You're asking me to be a grown up while you're insulting me while changing the subject of your argument? Really?



Question, are we still talking about whether comeback code exists in the game? And by comeback code I'm referring to the idea that you are leading the game until the later innings and then something "clicks" and no matter what you do, or how well you play, the CPU is going win the game?

Just lol, can you really quantify how they're a seperate issue? Giving up a run more per game and losing ballgames due to comeback AI late can't at all be directly correlated in a 162 game season? Ask a sabermatician if it matters. Does it matter? No sir, no it does not, a run is a run regardless of which inning it came in, they're all weighted the same, just like a green back.


So what are you on about?

And more importantly, why are you losing your **** over the fact that instead of talking about comeback code Im talking about how many runs my team gave up. My initial post is what it appears to be, but that is 'baseball feeling' and a bit based on conjecture. Im using one of the easiest and best quantifiers, earned runs, to establish a foundation for what I see happening on the field. Bro, that's what baseball is all about, using numbers to tell the story. But then, you're clearly with me on that, hence you're not confused or anything.

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Just lol, can you really quantify how they're a seperate issue? Giving up a run more per game and losing ballgames due to comeback AI late can't at all be directly correlated in a 162 game season? Ask a sabermatician if it matters. Does it matter? No sir, no it does not, a run is a run regardless of which inning it came in, they're all weighted the same, just like a green back.


So what are you on about?

What?

I told you my definition of comeback AI and how I view it, which is actually different than the issue of always giving up 1 more run per game when played vs when simming.

Comeback AI - referring to the idea that you are leading a game and then all the sudden something "clicks" and no matter what you do or how well you play, the CPU is going to win the ballgame.

You can give up an extra earned run while playing the game and still win the game. You can give up an extra earned run while playing the game and lose the game. But if that extra earned run was always causing you to lose the game, then that would be similar to comeback AI.

Question, is it possible for you to just provide a response to a post without the insults? Seriously man, its growing old.


If you're talking about comeback AI then we can discuss those instances in which you believe it to have happened and see if we can find a common occurrence in each of the games that triggers it to happen.

If you're talking about the extra earned run while playing a game vs simming, then we can see if others are experiencing the same issue. Hell, I'll be happy to run a test to see if I get the same type of results.

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

If you're talking about the extra earned run while playing a game vs simming, then we can see if others are experiencing the same issue. Hell, I'll be happy to run a test to see if I get the same type of results.

Yes bro, that's what I'm talking about. If you read my initial post, it's a little story about my player and a 14 run inning, I didn't actually mention much about the comeback code despite it being in the title. The fact is, I was up 9-0 in that game, and I have no doubt whatsoever that the big inning came because I was leading. 14 run innings don't just 'happen'. You can probably count on all your little piggies the amount of times that's 'happened' in MLB history. Big innings are nice, teams play for them, but you don't just conjure one up out of your bunghole at the most opportune of times to steal away a win, it just doesn't happen with any sort of consistency, and the CPU makes it look like making biscuits at KFC with how easy it is.


But I digress, I'm saying I give up a run more per game when I play the game as opposed to simming. It does NOT matter how that run got there, or when it shows it's ugly head, it is going to cost me the same amount of wins over a 162 game season regardless. So it's still comeback code, in effect, and there is no difference wether that extra run on average comes in the first 5 innings or the last 4, it's going to have the exact same effect over the 700+ games Ive played on RTTS thus far.


Why are you acting like it matters why that extra run shows up, when it doesnt?

[countryboy]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Yes bro, that's what I'm talking about. If you read my initial post, it's a little story about my player and a 14 run inning, I didn't actually mention much about the comeback code despite it being in the title. The fact is, I was up 9-0 in that game, and I have no doubt whatsoever that the big inning came because I was leading. 14 run innings don't just 'happen'. You can probably count on all your little piggies the amount of times that's 'happened' in MLB history. Big innings are nice, teams play for them, but you don't just conjure one up out of your bunghole at the most opportune of times to steal away a win, it just doesn't happen with any sort of consistency, and the CPU makes it look like making biscuits at KFC with how easy it is.


But I digress, I'm saying I give up a run more per game when I play the game as opposed to simming. It does NOT matter how that run got there, or when it shows it's ugly head, it is going to cost me the same amount of wins over a 162 game season regardless. So it's still comeback code, in effect, and there is no difference wether that extra run on average comes in the first 5 innings or the last 4, it's going to have the exact same effect over the 700+ games Ive played on RTTS thus far.


Why are you acting like it matters why that extra run shows up, when it doesnt?

As I've said numerous of times in this thread. The idea of comeback code/AI on this forum has always referred to the idea of the cpu becoming unstoppable in the later innings of the game thus allowing it to win the game vs the user no matter what.

The extra earned run when playing the game vs simming the game, seems like a separate issue, because it doesn't always equate to you losing a late inning lead.

But I'm done. My first response in this thread was shallow and unhelpful and I apologize for that. But since that post I've honestly been trying to carry on a civil discussion to determine what exactly you're experiencing to see if I, or others could help. And that was met with insults to my baseball intelligence and even my character as a man.

I'm sure you'll have another insult or quick witted comment to make in response to this post and I truly hope it makes you feel better about yourself.

And I hope that whatever issue you are experiencing with the game gets resolved, so that you can enjoy the game.

Take care....

[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

As I've said numerous of times in this thread. The idea of comeback code/AI on this forum has always referred to the idea of the cpu becoming unstoppable in the later innings of the game thus allowing it to win the game vs the user no matter what.

The extra earned run when playing the game vs simming the game, seems like a separate issue, because it doesn't always equate to you losing a late inning lead.

But I'm done. My first response in this thread was shallow and unhelpful and I apologize for that. But since that post I've honestly been trying to carry on a civil discussion to determine what exactly you're experiencing to see if I, or others could help. And that was met with insults to my baseball intelligence and even my character as a man.

I'm sure you'll have another insult or quick witted comment to make in response to this post and I truly hope it makes you feel better about yourself.

And I hope that whatever issue you are experiencing with the game gets resolved, so that you can enjoy the game.

Take care....

Well maybe my terminology is wrong, I've simply tried to explain it in a more 'true to life' baseball sense rather than mystical forces. It's all the same to me, but I assure you provided my team performed as they should when I play (just like the cpu is able to perform as I do when they sim my player) then I wouldnt be here. That is a detriment to the mode I'm otherwise having a lot of fun with, obviously.


And I think the snide comments were pretty even all around, I really wasnt going outta my way to attack you, Im just passionate about the game. No offense intended bro.

[Steven78]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

Damn get a room you two!

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[underdog13]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

There has never been comeback code and no user has ever shown evidence of comeback code.

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[wellred]

Re: is rtts comeback code code still a thing in '17?

There has never been comeback code and no user has ever shown evidence of comeback code.

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And yet there are no actual arguments for why it doesnt, despite the numbers in RTTS played games saying the exact opposite of your claim.


Repeating something you cant back up ad nauseam does not qualify as an argument. You can't explain why team ERA's are so much higher in RTTS played games as opposed to sim games. That is a demonstrable fact to anyone who tests the mode for a few seasons.


We deal in facts, not conjecture.

And it's been that way for years. Period.