Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

[SilverBullet1929]

I'm very "concerned" about this issue.

They've "blown the roof off attribute caps" in Diamond Dynasty. Tony Gwynn can now actually be a .394 hitter in DD, Babe Ruth is a 121 level hitter in DD, and more... that's amazing! But they've said this only applies to DD right?

So what happens when I attempt to use a legend outside of DD? Are their exaggerated stats nerfed down to 99? This ruins their use for me especially as someone who doesn't play DD.

There is now seemingly no point to using Babe Ruth and Tony Gwynn and others outside of DD if they're not true to their abilities. If 121 hitting Babe Ruth is available in DD, I want to be able to use him in exhibition games as well, on the Yankees. Using 99 hitting Babe Ruth in exhibition will feel cheap knowing the 121 Ruth is available elsewhere.

I understand how this could have been an issue in continuous play modes like Franchise but I would love to have been able to play with the "125 attribute" legends in exhibition modes.

If you think about it, since DD only uses created teams and not real teams, I'll never be able to use any legend on their real teams with their fullest attributes. So I'll never get to play with Babe Ruth on the Yankees at his best.

If I'm crazy, let me know it. But I do think this is a real head scratcher and a concern that will affect many people's use of these legends.

[patsen29]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

It's a good question. We don't know and until they tell us more all we have is speculation.

That said, as a roster rater, I'm dying to find out, because it could open things up to us.

[Caulfield]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

This will be an easy one to test. I bet with Ruth's power, contact AND vision combined, you can get a 50-60 homer season out of him outside DD. Then consider having him in a 162 game schedule instead of 154, maybe even as many as 65 dingers.

[ninertravel]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

they clearly said on the stream that 'it was Diamond dynasty only'

[sgwrestler11]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

I have been asking this myself.. If he's a 99 he could still be way better than everyone else.. They would just have to tone alot of the power numbers and stuff down of other players.. Which I don't think would happen.

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[underdog13]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

Frankly the legends ratings are a complete joke anyways. Ruth having above 100 vision is just stupid.

[Incognito]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

Frankly the legends ratings are a complete joke anyways. Ruth having above 100 vision is just stupid.

I do agree the ratings have gotten out of hand. As good as these legends are, I doubt they'd be hitting 60+ homers while flirting with a near .400 BA today.

IMO these ratings are just a way to boost the DD offense a little.

[Culture Rot]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

Give the rest of us the same expanded scale as Diamond Dynasty players

[sgwrestler11]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

You have to remember though.. Ruth's ratings are made on the time he played... Of course comparing him with people today he wouldn't have 100 plate vision.. In his own time he was head and shoulder better than everyone.

[underdog13]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

You have to remember though.. Ruth's ratings are made on the time he played... Of course comparing him with people today he wouldn't have 100 plate vision.. In his own time he was head and shoulder better than everyone.

Uhhh no he wasn't, not in plate vision. He led the league in strikeouts 5 times. His vision should be in the 40s plain and simple.

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[sgwrestler11]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

I should have worded that differently. I mean he was overall better than everyone else..

[underdog13]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

I should have worded that differently. I mean he was overall better than everyone else..

At basically everything else definitely, but his plate vision (aka k%) was much higher than the average player of his time.

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[coper589]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

When did they say these ratings weren't possible in exhibition mode? I don't remember hearing that. What a waste if that's case. And if these ratings are restricted to DD, why? What harm would it be if they were allowed offline? It wouldn't hurt anything. Only allow users to create a wider range of players. It really makes no sense why it would be restricted to DD only. Even if the default stats for all legends players were toned down to 99 or less, just leave the attributes unlocked to allow users to adjust as they see fit. If this is the case, it's pretty disappointing for an offline user. I was looking forward to using the boosted legends. Oh well.

[nomo17k]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

Given there have been quite a few players who max out some attributes (e.g., K/9 and to a lesser extent BB/9 in particular), I understand the motivation behind expanding out the max attribute beyond 99 at least for some attribute.

... but after hearing the the devs discuss the motivation, I am a little concerned that they may end up overdoing this. The fact that a few players have had truly outstanding stats... like hitting close to .400... is because there is usually an element of very good luck.

That's why most projections we see in Baseball Prospectus and such yields fairly conservative numbers for even the best performers, e.g., Altuve batted .346 in 2017 but projections give him "only" .315 for 2018, Judge hit 52 HRs in 2017 but projections give him only around 40 HRs for 2018, etc. Because typically the top players in the leader boards typically over-performed for the season due to luck.

So when players are given attributes, it's better to rate on projections since that tries to remove the effect of luck. If you give Judge an attribute suitable for hitting 52 HRs in a season, then there is a very good chance he ends up hitting well above (or below for that matter) 52 HRs for a season, and that can lead to very unrealistic stats in simulations.

I'm an advocate for giving users more options to users so I'm actually for having ability to tweak wider dynamic ranges in attributes, but I hope that this direction isn't a reflection of how the player rating would start making less sense in terms of simulation authenticity.

[wellred]

Re: Without the 125 attribute cap, how will legends play outside of DD?

Given there have been quite a few players who max out some attributes (e.g., K/9 and to a lesser extent BB/9 in particular), I understand the motivation behind expanding out the max attribute beyond 99 at least for some attribute.

... but after hearing the the devs discuss the motivation, I am a little concerned that they may end up overdoing this. The fact that a few players have had truly outstanding stats... like hitting close to .400... is because there is usually an element of very good luck.

That's why most projections we see in Baseball Prospectus and such yields fairly conservative numbers for even the best performers, e.g., Altuve batted .346 in 2017 but projections give him "only" .315 for 2018, Judge hit 52 HRs in 2017 but projections give him only around 40 HRs for 2018, etc. Because typically the top players in the leader boards typically over-performed for the season due to luck.

So when players are given attributes, it's better to rate on projections since that tries to remove the effect of luck. If you give Judge an attribute suitable for hitting 52 HRs in a season, then there is a very good chance he ends up hitting well above (or below for that matter) 52 HRs for a season, and that can lead to very unrealistic stats in simulations.

I'm an advocate for giving users more options to users so I'm actually for having ability to tweak wider dynamic ranges in attributes, but I hope that this direction isn't a reflection of how the player rating would start making less sense in terms of simulation authenticity.

It works fine in DD, because they said specifically that the ratings in any given area are meant to reflect the players best year in that category. So Ted Williams having a 125 contact rating is completely plausible in DD. And he should still be above a 99 contact rating even if it's meant to reflect his entire career, being a career .344 hitter. So not seeing an issue with this being applies to legends at all.

And the ratings system in The Show already incorporates basically the same factors as the simpler projection systems do, by observing the last 3 years of performance with the previous year being weighted more heavily. I don't think Judge is going to go above 99 power based on his previous year alone, I don't even think that's being discussed, even if it did apply to live series players. Now if he's close to 60 this year, and assuming it's even possible to do, maybe he will deserve to be boosted slightly above a 99.