MLB The Show 18: Four Upgrades We're Thrilled About

[Blzer]

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judgment has one E ... not judging

Aaron Judg

[tessl]

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"I wish I could count the amount of base stealers that I had pegged with spot-on throws from catchers with elite arms that somehow eluded a tag that should have been a guaranteed out."

Great example of the struggle between arcade and realism in the game. There are no "guaranteed outs" in MLB. Someone in arcade is upset because he made a perfect throw which should have been a guaranteed out.

I use manage mode in franchise and the last thing I want is guaranteed outs on every close tag play. The reason I quit playing the show 17 in June was because of inordinately low offense and runs scored in the game.

If there are indeed guaranteed outs on every close tag play chalk one up for arcade.

[KBLover]

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I really hate the out of position thing.

Make an adjustment period? Sure? Actually have individual position ratings that the player has to build up as he gains experience? Absolutely (i.e. the OOTP approach).

But just turn him into a blind dude who forgot how to play baseball? Not even.

I mean, if that's how real baseball worked...how do players move in positions in the real game? How does a player become a utility player? The instant he played "out of position", he'd have a .100 fielding pct.

I was hoping for a more robust system where players can actually learn positions over time instead of the extremes of "forgetting what a baseball is" and "instant knowing it because I just edited it in".

Maybe MLB19 I guess.

[dubcity]

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I really hate the out of position thing.

Make an adjustment period? Sure? Actually have individual position ratings that the player has to build up as he gains experience? Absolutely (i.e. the OOTP approach).

But just turn him into a blind dude who forgot how to play baseball? Not even.

I mean, if that's how real baseball worked...how do players move in positions in the real game? How does a player become a utility player? The instant he played "out of position", he'd have a .100 fielding pct.

I was hoping for a more robust system where players can actually learn positions over time instead of the extremes of "forgetting what a baseball is" and "instant knowing it because I just edited it in".

Maybe MLB19 I guess.

If it means one competitive e-sports type (who would stab his grandma to win one game online) can't turn the game into a joke, then it's worth it.

[Caulfield]

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I was hoping for a more robust system where players can actually learn positions over time instead of the extremes of "forgetting what a baseball is" and "instant knowing it because I just edited it in".

I have found that the only current suitable workaround is to play the first 2 or 3 games as ''forget what a baseball is'', then after that, transition to ''instant knowing by edit''.

If it means one competitive e-sports type (who would stab his grandma to win one game online) can't turn the game into a joke, then it's worth it.

But that's the way Ty Cobb would've played video games

[tessl]

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I clicked on the author's name to see what else he has written about and discovered this...

https://www.operationsports.com/five-classic-features-current-sports-games-missing

Five Classic Features The Current Sports Games Are Missing
ByElliott JenkinsPublished on June 1, 2017

1. Arcade-Style Gameplay


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Let's recap: The same guy who is advocating for guaranteed outs on tag plays also advocates for arcade style gameplay.

This is a perfect example of the dilemma faced by developers. I use only manage mode on default sliders and there were problems with the game but one thing they got right was the percentage of time you could successfully steal a base. Infielders were overpowered and balls curved like frisbees but stolen bases were realistic.

The developers have to make a choice. Do they go for realism or arcade? On a recent rtts stream Nick Livingston explained the new cap on attributes system which is designed to move away from arcade toward realism and many people are now complaining about being unable to make their character 99 in every attribute. I used to submit bug reports about some of the unrealistic things in gameplay but it finally dawned on me these things aren't unintentional bugs. If the new tag system results in guaranteed outs on every close tag play I'll hate it but there are many who will love it. If the new tag system doesn't result in guaranteed outs on every close tag play I'll love it but many will hate it.

I sympathize with the developers attempting to release a game which will make customers happy when those customers are 180 degrees apart in what they want from the game. Maybe there should be two gameplay modes - arcade and realistic - but that would probably be impossible to program.

I'm looking forward to the franchise stream to attempt to determine in which direction they have gone with this year's game.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I clicked on the author's name to see what else he has written about and discovered this...

https://www.operationsports.com/five-classic-features-current-sports-games-missing/

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[url=https://www.operationsports.com/five-classic-features-current-sports-games-missing/]Five Classic Features The Current Sports Games Are Missing

...
1. Arcade-Style Gameplay

[.url]

So, where are you going with this?

[nemesis04]

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So, where are you going with this?

Seems like he is trying to label him as an arcade type player.

[My993C2]

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If the new tag system results in guaranteed outs on every close tag play I'll hate it but there are many who will love it. If the new tag system doesn't result in guaranteed outs on every close tag play I'll love it but many will hate it.

I sympathize with the developers attempting to release a game which will make customers happy when those customers are 180 degrees apart in what they want from the game. Maybe there should be two gameplay modes - arcade and realistic - but that would probably be impossible to program.

We won't know how much the new fielding, base running and tagging changes in MLB 18 will affect our own game play experiences until we actually get the game in our hands and are playing it. But I am optimistic that it will be a step forward in the right direction for realism especially for MoM gamers like yourself and myself. I can't remember if it first surfaced in MLB 16 or was it only last year in 17, but for sure far too many bases are given up in the game due to too many passed balls and/or balls in the feet of slow reacting catchers. If the new changes results in base runners especially the slower one not even attempting to take the extra base then this is good. Plus if I am not mistaken during the DEV streams where they were showing the changes, not every throw and tag was resulting in an out.

Without these changes in MLB 18 I definitely would have skipped the game this year. But once I watched the DEV stream on the topic I decided to take the risk and preordered the game via my PSN account.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Seems like he is trying to label him as an arcade type player.

Interesting. I read it as (the author's article he posted), not taking away from The Show and the like (as in not forcing them to change to arcade), but there should be other additional arcade styled licensed games again along side the Sim games.

That does not seem too unreasonable as a gamer. Sadly, those days are long gone thanks to exclusivity deals that alienated the market so much, that it is starting to feel like a niche one.

Edit: After reading what the person I quoted elaborated on, the game does have Retro Mode still, correct?

[nemesis04]

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I really hate the out of position thing.

Make an adjustment period? Sure? Actually have individual position ratings that the player has to build up as he gains experience? Absolutely (i.e. the OOTP approach).

But just turn him into a blind dude who forgot how to play baseball? Not even.

I mean, if that's how real baseball worked...how do players move in positions in the real game? How does a player become a utility player? The instant he played "out of position", he'd have a .100 fielding pct.

I was hoping for a more robust system where players can actually learn positions over time instead of the extremes of "forgetting what a baseball is" and "instant knowing it because I just edited it in".

Maybe MLB19 I guess.

The Show's fielding ratings feel broad stroke in nature. It's either on or off and you do not feel the nuances all the positions have to give the game diversity. Each position requires a different skill set and each of those skills really need to be rated in order to emulate the player's ability properly. There also needs to be some type of learning mechanism built into fielding so players can be groomed to play other positions. I also think there should be some type of situational awareness rating for how well the player knows the position which would increase the more he plays the position on a regular basis.

Curious to see if this years fielding will feel different from player to player with the adjustments and not just the dumbing down effects.

[nemesis04]

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Interesting. I read it as (the author's article he posted), not taking away from The Show and the like (as in not forcing them to change to arcade), but there should be other additional arcade styled licensed games again along side the Sim games.

That does not seem too unreasonable as a gamer. Sadly, those days are long gone thanks to exclusivity deals that alienated the market so much, that it is starting to feel like a niche one.

Edit: After reading what the person I quoted elaborated on, the game does have Retro Mode still, correct?

Retro Mode is still in, correct.

[Impetuous65]

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Just no more of this.

https://twitter.com/backbreaker1965/status/972902348346421248/video/1

[underdog13]

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Just no more of this.
https://twitter.com/backbreaker1965/...421248/video/1

Damn I need a ps4 pro

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[Skyboxer]

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Damn I need a ps4 pro

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