Are modes like Diamond Dynasty legitimately well received by fans?

[MattP598]

Re: Are modes like Diamond Dynasty legitimately well received by fans?

The fans love DD like modes. Not fans of baseball, probably. Just check the sub-reddit of The Show in the last two years, you will struggle to find a single thread in which players talk about baseball stuff. It's all about diamonds, cards and trash talk. These are the players which SDS try to make happy now. For me, it's a middle finger to the most loyal and dedicated fanbase. But you know, opinions.

Nailed it!

I'm sorry but when I think about DD I just picture a whining 12 year old taking a break from Call of Duty. Do trophies and crap like that really mean that much to people???? I mean I'm almost 40 so maybe it's just something I don't understand.

[Dolenz]

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Agree 1000000000%

True baseball fans aren't playing DD. They are playing franchise mode. That should be the company's #1 priority, true baseball fans. Instead I think they are more worried about sales and getting people who maybe kind of like baseball to buy the game. You would think the designers are true baseball fans themselves. Are they not interested about improving their own experience?

That is such an elitist and insulting attitude to have.


"We are the anointed. We are the only true baseball fans. All others are pretenders".


What a load of crap.

[MattP598]

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Also they made a huge stink about playing guys out of position, especially playing them at first base. There was a big conversation on Twitter that you shouldn't be able to take Ted Williams (has 69 fielding) and have him play like Goldschmidt (a gold glove first baseman with 90 fielding). Because right now that happens.

It just goes to show it's not about baseball in that mode it's about winning, bragging, and trash talk. No real baseball fan plays players extremely out of position. Yeah, I might turn a SS into a 2B or play OF's in different spots, but that's it.

[MattP598]

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That seems like a vast overgeneralization that has no real proof to it.


It's so easy for so many to dismiss those who don't play the game the same way they do.

My previous post is proof. Obviously I know there are real baseball fans that play DD. However it seems like the company's focus now are getting people who aren't really into it to buy the game and not building a better baseball game.

I mean I have tried DD and it is fun. For a little while..... then I went back to spending hours trying to coming up with a trade to help rebuild my team.

[MattP598]

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and this is something offline franchise players have to accept or stop playing video games. Let's face it, we talked about issues for awhile that never got dealt with by SDS. But if it affects their micro transactions, they are all over it to fix it.

Same thing with NBA2k. You can have year long glitches offline but someone finds an exploit on the Park/pro-am and they have a patch up yesterday. It's a struggle for developers. I'm sure plenty of them would love to focus on franchise or making the games as realistic as possible, but the money (particularly in nba2k) is so huge that you risk losing millions if you don't cater to the folks who want every open shot to go in or every green release. I don't think MLB the Show is any different at this point.

I've resigned myself to this fact. I simply have to decide each year if the version is worth buying (and in the grand scheme of things when you think of how much you spend on a tank of gas, meals at a restaurant, movies, etc. 60 bucks is a bargain for how many hours I play). If things get fixed thanks to DD, fantastic. I simply have tempered my expectations in the era of video games where micro transactions and DLC are king. Capitalism isn't going away and neither is the preponderance of focus on revenue producing modes.

You are correct...unfortunately. I just wish they would invest just a few of those millions in hiring a few more people to work on franchise mode. Hell, I'm a developer, I will work part time for peanuts for them as long as im allowed to work on improving franchise mode.

[MattP598]

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That is such an elitist and insulting attitude to have.


"We are the anointed. We are the only true baseball fans. All others are pretenders".


What a load of crap.

I edited my post because I know franchise players aren't the ONLY true baseball fans. It was an over exaggeration to prove a point.

[MattP598]

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I'm in several FB MLB The Show groups with 30K+ members and they have polls covering which mode you enjoy the most. It's pretty much split between RTTS and DD, then online franchise, and regular franchise finishing last.

I'm a huge real-life baseball fan, as I watch almost every regular season Brewers game to some extent and think I have more baseball knowledge than the average person, yet I enjoy DD the most. I used to be a strictly Offline Franchise guy, but then I realized how competitive it is playing against other users online, that's a feeling and challenge you'l never get playing the CPU offline. You can always increase sliders, but then it's simply the CPU handicapping you and not necessarily playing the game better.

Being able to choose your own players and building your team style is really fun. DO you want to have high contact, high power, build off speed? It all bring DD together for me and makes it my most played mode.

This is a really great post. I will be the first to admit I don't know that much about DD because I have really just dabbled around it. I just really don't enjoy online gaming.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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I guess I am just curious...are the same people who are blaming Diamond Dyansty for the lack of updates to Franchise Mode also upset at the updates to Road to the Show?

Both DD and RttS get more play than Franchise, according to SDS telemetry data. And, as we've seen, RttS got a pretty significant amount of updates and attention from the devs this year. But DD takes a vast majority of the blame as to why more updates haven't come to Franchise mode.

I play all three modes (Franchise is the area I spend most my time), and I am fine with the updates SDS has provided to all of them. So I'm just wondering why RttS doesn't get the heat that DD does.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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This is a really great post. I will be the first to admit I don't know that much about DD because I have really just dabbled around it. I just really don't enjoy online gaming.

Diamond Dynasty is not entirely online...DD Conquest mode, in fact, is strictly offline.

[Dolenz]

Re: Are modes like Diamond Dynasty legitimately well received by fans?

Diamond Dynasty is not entirely online...DD Conquest mode, in fact, is strictly offline.

DD will be my most played mode this year and I doubt if I play a single online game in that mode. Last year I was 1-4 online and those were just 3 inning event games just to give it a try.


It just kind of proves my points that those who condemn DD the most are the ones who understand the mode the least.


The two most common misconceptions are

1. All DD players spend extra money, beyond the purchase price of the game.
2. It is an online only mode.

[MattP598]

Re: Are modes like Diamond Dynasty legitimately well received by fans?

Diamond Dynasty is not entirely online...DD Conquest mode, in fact, is strictly offline.

That is good to know and I may give it more of a shot if I grow tired of Franchise mode and it's same features. I have tried it btefore and remember it being fun but not something I would truly invest a lot of time in.

I just wish every mode could get the same attention at least. The way it is some part of the fanbase is going to be upset because if your favorite version is largely ignored you would be upset as well. Especially if it is your ONLY option and the ONLY game you play all year. Also, it has been this way for several years now, and I haven't complained at all until this year and have been handing over my 60 bucks each year.

I'm really not trying to put down any group of players no matter their favorite mode.

I think it would be great for gaming if these companies didn't have exclusive rights to games like the Show and Madden. A monopoly on anything is never good for the development and improvement to it. I don't know why someone hasn't came up with just a plain baseball game that works well with no specific teams and players, and then handed it over to the modding community to do a large part of it. The same goes for college football.

Another thing I want to add and then I'll shutup about it is, Franchise mode doesn't even need any new features. Just improve and fix the ones you already have.

[JayhawkerStL]

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It just goes to show it's not about baseball in that mode it's about winning, bragging, and trash talk. No real baseball fan plays players extremely out of position. Yeah, I might turn a SS into a 2B or play OF's in different spots, but that's it.

The Cardinals played Matt Adams in the OF and Skip Schumacher at 2B. Just sayin'.

The other factor that most fail to see is the AAA games have not been $60 for a long time. They all find ways to get extra revenue to complete the game. You can pitch a fit about this, but it will just lead to SCEA making the same decision as 2K and EA, in that baseball games are not worth the investment.

[Armor and Sword]

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That is such an elitist and insulting attitude to have.


"We are the anointed. We are the only true baseball fans. All others are pretenders".


What a load of crap.

Could not have said it better myself. Utter load of crap!!!!


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[Formula1Racing]

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Well, I knew I was going to get a reaction to my opinion on DD and other modes like it. I am not suggesting that DD mode is not a fun mode to play. Of course it is. Fans want to have past legend and present players on their roster teams battling it out with other players online to be the best team "Money can Buy". I've seen Twitch MLB DD players popping $$$ out these electronic cards like candy! Most not all play this mode on Twitch Streams, yea, one or two play franchise and RTTS but it is all DD.

Yes, you can play without buying anything but what good is it if you going to go up against a team stacked with Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Nolan Ryan etc..You get the point. I'm sure I will not get these top cards for nothing unless maybe I grind for millions of hours!...Is that fun? I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong on this.

Also I'm a purist and old fashion, I hate to see all these legends and current players scattered all over the roster in a scrambled mess with duplicates of the same players on both sides. It just doesn't seem right to me.

I would have love if SDS add past seasons teams with their schedules and have the league alignments from that particular year like it was so we can replay those years. Isn't that what we been asking for years? I would pay for something like this as a DLC addon.

[countryboy]

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I think it would be great for gaming if these companies didn't have exclusive rights to games like the Show and Madden. A monopoly on anything is never good for the development and improvement to it.

The Show does not have, nor did it ever have, exclusive rights on MLB baseball. Any other developer can make a MLB licensed baseball game, like RBI baseball for example.