Show '09 vs. Show' 18

[TheDutchDad]

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As someone who has bought the show ever since I got a PS3 back in 2008, this year is very difficult for me to buy. I haven't come to OS in months, but today decided to stop by and see what buzz The Show is generating and this OP, basically encompasses how I feela bout this game right now.

Every year I buy it, and every year shortly after getting it, I think to myself, "This game looks and nearly plays identical to last years game." I know they have improved graphics, it goes without saying, I know gameplay has changed, I know game modes have come and gone and improved, but really, It's hard for me to find game defining changes that each year make me super excited to play.

I think it's fair to say Ultimate Team modes in all sports games have really ruined those franchises, as all efforts and money are put into the micro transaction modes. The only year of DD I really liked was the first year cause I loved being able to name my players, and really build players that were unique. Now DD is just some legends throw in with todays top players. Stale.

Anyway, more than likely, since I love baseball, I'll get the game, but I still don't feel like The Show has progressed a ton int he 10 years I've been playing.

[Blzer]

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Every year I buy it, and every year shortly after getting it, I think to myself, "This game looks and nearly plays identical to last years game."

Regarding this, I know some people's responses to this are: "If every year looks the same as the year before it, how come '18 looks much improved from '14?" Well, looking "the same" can mean many things, including just minor improvements. It's like getting a haircut, and every week it looks about the same as the week before it. Well, give it five weeks and compare what it looked like from getting the haircut to those five weeks after. Or the frog in water that is slowly getting hotter. Just because the improvements are pretty great looking from way back to now doesn't mean the differences are subtle in between.

So yes, differences at times are minimal. Color palette changes have been among the biggest difference for me so far, but even still there will be some colors that are off. Regardless, we have come a long way, but year-to-year they seem to be pretty small in general. That's slightly okay when the game already looks great, but many of us can point out where it really can be improved.

[Blegh]

Re: Show '09 vs. Show' 18

As someone who has bought the show ever since I got a PS3 back in 2008, this year is very difficult for me to buy. I haven't come to OS in months, but today decided to stop by and see what buzz The Show is generating and this OP, basically encompasses how I feela bout this game right now.

Every year I buy it, and every year shortly after getting it, I think to myself, "This game looks and nearly plays identical to last years game." I know they have improved graphics, it goes without saying, I know gameplay has changed, I know game modes have come and gone and improved, but really, It's hard for me to find game defining changes that each year make me super excited to play.

I think it's fair to say Ultimate Team modes in all sports games have really ruined those franchises, as all efforts and money are put into the micro transaction modes. The only year of DD I really liked was the first year cause I loved being able to name my players, and really build players that were unique. Now DD is just some legends throw in with todays top players. Stale.

Anyway, more than likely, since I love baseball, I'll get the game, but I still don't feel like The Show has progressed a ton int he 10 years I've been playing.

Pretty much! That is why i sell the game a few week after. The same stale game every year.

Sadly i still buy it every year.

[KBLover]

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Regardless, we have come a long way, but year-to-year they seem to be pretty small in general. That's slightly okay when the game already looks great, but many of us can point out where it really can be improved.

Yes, but I certainly take these small changes. Just the improved fielding speeds that let me put baserunning speed high so I can see Hamliton burn down the line like he does IRL and the game still not giving up tons of hits...

Or the balls slice/hook AWAY from fielders close to lines if they are hit with enough spin...

It's a little here and a little there...but add it up over 5, 10, 15 seasons of a franchise and the course of a franchise, player careers, etc. can be dramatic.

So it may be small on a technical level, for me, it really piles up in the "story" of my franchise and it's players.

But maybe that's just me

[Blzer]

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Yes, but I certainly take these small changes. Just the improved fielding speeds that let me put baserunning speed high so I can see Hamliton burn down the line like he does IRL and the game still not giving up tons of hits...

Or the balls slice/hook AWAY from fielders close to lines if they are hit with enough spin...

It's a little here and a little there...but add it up over 5, 10, 15 seasons of a franchise and the course of a franchise, player careers, etc. can be dramatic.

So it may be small on a technical level, for me, it really piles up in the "story" of my franchise and it's players.

But maybe that's just me

I was speaking more to just the visuals, but if you want to talk about those gameplay things, here are eight things that all relate to one another which can really help the extra base hit game (plus the balance with runners advancing to certain other bases, including home)...

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1) Outfielders can still charge pretty hard at balls coming right at them.

2) Grass and dirt still do not yield different bounces, friction, etc.

3) Outfield positioning has not changed over the course of the years, backing them up and taking them more off the lines by default.

4) Balls hang up too long in the air.

5) Balls hit into the power alleys are not given substantial more power than balls hit down the lines.

6) Balls with spin tend to lose their spin immediately after the first bounce.

7) Outfielders can run directly back just as fast as they can run any other direction.

8) Momentum still has not played yet enough of a factor when it comes to how a ball is approached by outfielders.

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Now, one or two of these may have changed this year (specifically #4 and #6) and #8 is my opinion only, but I think this is an overall tweaking that has largely been left ignored in the series that would allow me to not have to play with sliders until I fix five broken things and break one or two things in the process.

Now like I said, they are constantly improving on certain aspects of the game with this (as well as with the AI or how ratings affect what players can do), but I think some of the bigger things are just left as is and there aren't real remedies for them yet. For example, the rocket bunts in to prevent cheesers... but what happens in real life that makes players not bunt all of the time? Or placing outfielders closer than they should be so balls can get over players' heads, but that speaks more toward other physics in their game that can be improved. Things like that.

In MLB '10, they broke the game's ball physics. Around '15 or so, we finally started to see the correct path that we are now on, and I'm thinking this year will be even better (as we saw the Judge home run example). They said they addressed opposite field power though, and I'm still seeing a lot of no-doubters that direction in the trailers and gameplay videos we've been provided so far. I think there is just still a lot to accomplish that we have been mentioning since at least '09, even though there have been plenty of other improvements along the way.

[thaSLAB]

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Is it release day yet!?

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[Blzer]

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[KnightTemplar]

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Is it release day yet!?

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Good one. I'm taking a break until I see some impressions on Friday. Enough, woulda, shoulda, coulda. It's all just rehash.

[tinpanalley]

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It's amazing how much of a group of apologists OS is when it comes to MLB the Show and SDS. The game is stale when it comes to presentation and issues that have been in the game for most of the generation.

Exactly. Well said.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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All these Indian avatar posts all in a row are freaking me out!

It makes me feel like George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Yes, but I certainly take these small changes. Just the improved fielding speeds that let me put baserunning speed high so I can see Hamliton burn down the line like he does IRL and the game still not giving up tons of hits...

Or the balls slice/hook AWAY from fielders close to lines if they are hit with enough spin...

It's a little here and a little there...but add it up over 5, 10, 15 seasons of a franchise and the course of a franchise, player careers, etc. can be dramatic.

So it may be small on a technical level, for me, it really piles up in the "story" of my franchise and it's players.

But maybe that's just me

I think most of us on OS get pretty geeked up about small changes. The problem is when those small changes are billed as the #1 and #2 features by the developers. When they try to make small things look major. It's maddening especially when they try to talk about something that isn't even new like it's never been in the game before. I like small changes. I like small changes a lot. Especially when they're something like the #4, #5, and #6 most important things on the feature list instead of the "big things."

Last year, they implemented ball physics so even though we really just got a fresh coat of paint on Franchise mode, most of us were willing to accept the tradeoff in light of how big of a deal ball physics was. This year, there really isn't that carrying feature that appeals to "sim" type gamers and that's why Franchise mode has been torched harder on OS than ever before perhaps.

Small changes can be good.

[Caulfield]

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It makes me feel like George Armstrong Custer at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

That, or Bollywood.
No, probably definitely your thing.

[KBLover]

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Now, one or two of these may have changed this year (specifically #4 and #6) and #8 is my opinion only, but I think this is an overall tweaking that has largely been left ignored in the series that would allow me to not have to play with sliders until I fix five broken things and break one or two things in the process.

Now like I said, they are constantly improving on certain aspects of the game with this (as well as with the AI or how ratings affect what players can do), but I think some of the bigger things are just left as is and there aren't real remedies for them yet. For example, the rocket bunts in to prevent cheesers... but what happens in real life that makes players not bunt all of the time? Or placing outfielders closer than they should be so balls can get over players' heads, but that speaks more toward other physics in their game that can be improved. Things like that.

I think most of us on OS get pretty geeked up about small changes. The problem is when those small changes are billed as the #1 and #2 features by the developers. When they try to make small things look major. It's maddening especially when they try to talk about something that isn't even new like it's never been in the game before. I like small changes. I like small changes a lot. Especially when they're something like the #4, #5, and #6 most important things on the feature list instead of the "big things."

Last year, they implemented ball physics so even though we really just got a fresh coat of paint on Franchise mode, most of us were willing to accept the tradeoff in light of how big of a deal ball physics was. This year, there really isn't that carrying feature that appeals to "sim" type gamers and that's why Franchise mode has been torched harder on OS than ever before perhaps.

I get where you're coming from. I certainly would be happy with those things you mentioned fixed, Blzer, both in your list and in the paragraphs quoted, and I hear you about small changes getting overhyped, WTNY. I just write that off to marketing doing what marketing does.

I get the feeling sports games might be heading towards kinda what they say about Apple: one year is an "iterative year" and the next is a "swing for the fences year". Perhaps the big things that's left are getting too rooted into the engine limitations or previous design choices to get dealt with in a release cycle. Not making excuses or saying we should be "happy" about it - just that it could be what's up.

Now, if that is the case, I agree it would be more honest to say it (in a marketing approved way of course) and maybe it would help "reset" expectations, so to speak, for some who are still-loyal-but-growing-discontent. Be upfront that maybe some things will be revamped in 2019 but the framework/foundation was set up this year. So this year no giant change but MLB19 should be refreshed and even better.

I don't know, maybe I'm way off base here. Just kind how I merge "this, this, this could use fixing" and "this, this, and this might be better" in my mind.

[R9NALD9]

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NBA 2k9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ7kL5a7Qrc

vs

NBA 2k18

https://youtu.be/4yt70l-AYfc?t=2m41s

Madden 09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn0kYWM1F5g

vs

Madden 18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzsqKthBgU

FIFA 09

https://youtu.be/Sh1jPLIuQhg?t=1m11s

vs

FIFA 18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_guVnM6TSU

PES 09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtiYiknlErk

vs

PES 18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ohiW9-v9g

It seems the soccer games, which has the most competition with each other has shown the most improvement the last decade.

[BSUFAN]

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With all respect to the other posters and a lot of good points here on both sides , we as a gaming community seem kinda spoiled and wanting more improvements on a grander scale each year. Having said that it's better than this Commodore 64 version that I played at fairly old age ( 34 ) . So what ever SDS improvements each year small or large it's not a problem for me, I love me some game play and eye candy.