All-Star vs Hall of Fame

[Gagnon39]

It seems that many on here, including myself are in between difficulties (on hitting especially). And I'm in the camp of, "I may be hitting on Hall of Fame this year." However, despite trying to use directional almost every year, it seems I always settle on zone. This year looks to be more of the same.

However, I have some questions for anyone that might know. What exactly changes when moving from All-Star to Hall of Fame.

Does the PCI size change significantly? I don't want it to be too small on Hall of Fame. Does the CPU's pitch selection change? Pitch speed?

The most concerning thing for me honestly is that the CPU defense will be ridiculous. One of the things that The Show has always done exceptionally well is simulate somewhat imperfect defense. Meaning that every time a CPU player dives he doesn't ALWAYS catch it. I absolutely love when a player dives and misses allowing the ball to get to the fence. The Show is the only game I've ever played that simulates this. Throws are off the mark sometimes, which again, is perfect.

If I move to Hall of Fame, I don't want to lose these things.


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[dalger21]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

Does the PCI size change significantly? I don't want it to be too small on Hall of Fame. Does the CPU's pitch selection change? Pitch speed?




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PCI is smaller and you see less "hittable" pitches. That's about it from my experience.

[Gagnon39]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

PCI is smaller and you see less "hittable" pitches. That's about it from my experience.

Hmm... well, I'll probably play a few games with it and see where I am. I don't think I'll strike out nearly enough using All-Star.


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[Drty_Windshield]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

Pitch selection logic, pci, timing window and pitch speed are affected.

[Gagnon39]

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Pitch selection logic, pci, timing window and pitch speed are affected.

What about CPU defensive play? Are they all ridiculous gold glovers?


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[Drty_Windshield]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

What about CPU defensive play? Are they all ridiculous gold glovers?


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No, not that I've seen.

[Fcshuckers73]

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What about CPU defensive play? Are they all ridiculous gold glovers?


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Not at all. I too have been all star hit and Hof pitch for the last few years...but, now Hof hitting plays beautifully. I have all default settings ....except infielder and outfielder arm strength at 4, CPU foul freq at 4 and CPU and human starting pitcher stamina at 6. I have always used armors sliders without fail. But this year I wanted to take Hof default for a test drive and it's been good. For example, I used to lower fielder reaction and speed to 2 or 3 to create more bloop singles, players like schwarber covering 120 feet to catch a line drive and doubles in the gap. But, this year it seems almost perfect at default. Now, the CPU def makes mistakes and every player doesnt throw it on a rail to the perfect spot. Honestly, my biggest complaint on defense (human and CPU) is the ridiculous 89 mph jump throw across the diamond the 3rd baseman and SS seem to still make about once or twice a game. Other than those instances (which I lowered infielder arm strength to try to counteract) CPU defense is pretty life like

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[Baseball Purist]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

I enjoy hall of fame because you have to be patient at the plate with an approach. Some at bats you may not see anything good to hit,so you at least want to work the count and try to draw a walk or get the pitch count up.

As far as the pci, i dont really notice it being significantly smaller, but you do need to be more percise with your timing and swing location. The cpu will make mistakes on hof, if youre willing to lay off the good pitches.

[Gagnon39]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

Not at all. I too have been all star hit and Hof pitch for the last few years...but, now Hof hitting plays beautifully. I have all default settings ....except infielder and outfielder arm strength at 4, CPU foul freq at 4 and CPU and human starting pitcher stamina at 6. I have always used armors sliders without fail. But this year I wanted to take Hof default for a test drive and it's been good. For example, I used to lower fielder reaction and speed to 2 or 3 to create more bloop singles, players like schwarber covering 120 feet to catch a line drive and doubles in the gap. But, this year it seems almost perfect at default. Now, the CPU def makes mistakes and every player doesnt throw it on a rail to the perfect spot. Honestly, my biggest complaint on defense (human and CPU) is the ridiculous 89 mph jump throw across the diamond the 3rd baseman and SS seem to still make about once or twice a game. Other than those instances (which I lowered infielder arm strength to try to counteract) CPU defense is pretty life like

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Thanks for the info. I also like to play as close to default as possible. Question though, are you using directional or zone hitting? And if you're using directional, what's your method of doing so? Do you use swing influence as the ball is traveling or do you sit on a location?


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[Fcshuckers73]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

I am a Classic and Directional player....no aids..clean screen. I am pretty patient. I do not swing influence too much. I seem to mess up more, i.e looking to pull (holding left stick in and up) and the pitch is outside....I make poor contact/bad timing because I will still swing at a pitch outside and pop it up or roll it over. I do use it for flyball sacrifices but, other than that, I am patient and try to hit strikes where they are pitched.....I try to make the CPU throw 15+ pitches per inning....I'm happy when they are in the 70s (pitch wise) in the 5th. I have just learned to be patient....now on HOF, the CPU WILL pitch around guys for sure. If you are patient, then you will eventually be in a position to drive some runs in because you will walk.....if you don't chase or hit "pitchers' pitches".


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[Gagnon39]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

I am a Classic and Directional player....no aids..clean screen. I am pretty patient. I do not swing influence too much. I seem to mess up more, i.e looking to pull (holding left stick in and up) and the pitch is outside....I make poor contact/bad timing because I will still swing at a pitch outside and pop it up or roll it over. I do use it for flyball sacrifices but, other than that, I am patient and try to hit strikes where they are pitched.....I try to make the CPU throw 15+ pitches per inning....I'm happy when they are in the 70s (pitch wise) in the 5th. I have just learned to be patient....now on HOF, the CPU WILL pitch around guys for sure. If you are patient, then you will eventually be in a position to drive some runs in because you will walk.....if you don't chase or hit "pitchers' pitches".


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Yeah, directional on Hall of Fame just kind of makes me nervous I guess. I feel like there will be hidden, under-the-hood nerfing of my hitters attributes. I don't want that at all.


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[Gagnon39]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

I really wish SCEA would given us a definitive, and extremely detailed breakdown about what EXACTLY changes from one difficulty to another.


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[Fcshuckers73]

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Why not play the game and enjoy it if the games feels good? Paralysis by analysis will destroy enjoyment of this game

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[Gagnon39]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

Why not play the game and enjoy it if the games feels good? Paralysis by analysis will destroy enjoyment of this game

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I try, every year. And always have difficulty finding a good level for hitting.


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[KBLover]

Re: All-Star vs Hall of Fame

Does the PCI size change significantly? I don't want it to be too small on Hall of Fame. Does the CPU's pitch selection change? Pitch speed?

PCI size change: Generally, yes to the smaller, though it still depends on the hitter in question. It mostly hurts the guys below about 55-60 Contact and low vision (more prone to miss than foul off), especially if they are lighter hitters (less exit velocity so less solid/favorable contact/trajectories) are going to be even more of a struggle for them.

CPU Pitch Selection: Generally, yes to trend out of the zone. This is actually why I decided to go to HoF (even on Directional) and stay there and will tweak for my preferences/ability. CPU pitchers will tend to try for the corners and edges, especially in certain situations and versus certain hitters, so you have to think baseball strategy at the plate to try to guess what the pitcher might try to do to you based on situation and count within a PA.

This is especially true with low Strike Frequency, which I love. I sit on 0 with Nomo's 2 control and 4 consistency for CPU from MLB17 and have very, very realistic Zone % (the number of pitches that actually land in the zone, which is different than strikes because chases = strikes, 45% or so on average for MLB).

The most concerning thing for me honestly is that the CPU defense will be ridiculous. One of the things that The Show has always done exceptionally well is simulate somewhat imperfect defense. Meaning that every time a CPU player dives he doesn't ALWAYS catch it. I absolutely love when a player dives and misses allowing the ball to get to the fence. The Show is the only game I've ever played that simulates this. Throws are off the mark sometimes, which again, is perfect.

Maybe...? I think this is more to fielder ratings and the fielding reaction, speed, and error sliders. Reaction and speed to provide range and fast first steps while error (and the player's ratings for all of these, of course) impact reads, decision (I assume) and success rate.

Here's a triple off the wall I got in a game I'm playing. The fielder didn't respond perfectly to where the ball deflected so he had to reach and then gather himself to hit the cut off man instead of maybe trying to make a throw to third.

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