How do you develop a new position

[KBLover]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I was under the impression 17 was the first year with the penalties? I could be wrong.

I've always read that secondary was -20% effectiveness and not listed was like -40%. That's been in for a while I believe.

The new penalties that have become very punitive are new to this year's game.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: How do you develop a new position

Curious to bump this and see if anyone else has had experience with secondary / out of position guys in franchise? This is my 2nd year with the game and first time through franchise. Playing with the Dodgers and they have a few utility guys and infielders who can move around, and I notice very little penalty at their secondary position. However, when I had Bellinger break his leg I put Joc Pederson (CF, OF) at 1B. No errors when quick managing the better part of 2 or 3 games. But I'd say he dropped a fairly routine throw about half the time (one was deep in the hole at short so not even counting that, although he did get the error). He had one skip off and over him as well which was ruled a base hit.

I read this thread, wound up giving the poor guy a day off, and then edited his secondary position and dropped his reaction by 1 and his fielding by 3, but changed his training to fielding drills where I plan on keeping him the rest of the season. Will update it anyone is curious.

[KBLover]

Re: How do you develop a new position

However, when I had Bellinger break his leg I put Joc Pederson (CF, OF) at 1B. No errors when quick managing the better part of 2 or 3 games. But I'd say he dropped a fairly routine throw about half the time (one was deep in the hole at short so not even counting that, although he did get the error). He had one skip off and over him as well which was ruled a base hit.

That's new this year.

There's an (overly) dramatic drop in skills when guys play a position that's unlisted.

So going to secondary isn't too much of a drop off, but in Pederson's case, 1B isn't listed on his card so he gets the hammer dropped on him, leading to what you saw in your game.

[Gambo]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I just edit with some ground rules. New positions are decided before the season starts and I only allow 3 guys in A/AA, 2 in AAA, 1 MLB guy. They can be assigned as a secondary positions and only existing secondary positions can become primary.

[ktd1976]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I wish you could choose any other position as a secondary position. You can't make a 1B have a second position of SS or CF etc... Makes it tough when they are inaccurate with the positions of utility players, as they often are. This has been an issue for YEARS...

I would expand on this. I think each player should have an individual "fielding" rating for EACH position.

For example, Nicholas Castellanos of the Tigers.

He was just switched to RF by the Tigers late last season. He is listed as a RF, but the majority of his MLB time has been at 3B. 3B is listed as a secondary position, along with 1B, and LF

His fielding rating (at least in my franchise) is 64.

How I would do this, is this. I would give him the following fielding ratings.....

RF=64
3B=70
LF=55
1B=40
CF=20
2B=45
SS=35
CA=10

Any MLB player could play any position in a pinch (but the reality is that they will never play some positions)

Now, these position ratings can be improved by actually playing each position, in the same way that a player's fielding rating increase....

[TheCoastIsBen]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I usually edit everyones primary position in the off-season. If I played them primarily at one of their secondary positions it becomes primary. And If I want to try somebody out at a particular position during the season (weather due to injury or lack of depth) I just add it and try them out. If they do well I'll keep it, if not I'll remove it. But I try to keep it realistic. No moving catchers to shortstop or 1st baseman to center field. But its my franchise, I'll do what I think works. If a player responds well, great. If not, my fault for mishandling a prospect.

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[Caulfield]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I would expand on this. I think each player should have an individual "fielding" rating for EACH position.

For example, Nicholas Castellanos of the Tigers.

He was just switched to RF by the Tigers late last season. He is listed as a RF, but the majority of his MLB time has been at 3B. 3B is listed as a secondary position, along with 1B, and LF

His fielding rating (at least in my franchise) is 64.

How I would do this, is this. I would give him the following fielding ratings.....

RF=64
3B=70
LF=55
1B=40
CF=20
2B=45
SS=35
CA=10

Any MLB player could play any position in a pinch (but the reality is that they will never play some positions)

Now, these position ratings can be improved by actually playing each position, in the same way that a player's fielding rating increase....

Excluding catcher i'd agree

[ktd1976]

Re: How do you develop a new position

I would expand on this. I think each player should have an individual "fielding" rating for EACH position.

For example, Nicholas Castellanos of the Tigers.

He was just switched to RF by the Tigers late last season. He is listed as a RF, but the majority of his MLB time has been at 3B. 3B is listed as a secondary position, along with 1B, and LF

His fielding rating (at least in my franchise) is 64.

How I would do this, is this. I would give him the following fielding ratings.....

RF=64
3B=70
LF=55
1B=40
CF=20
2B=45
SS=35
CA=10

Any MLB player could play any position in a pinch (but the reality is that they will never play some positions)

Now, these position ratings can be improved by actually playing each position, in the same way that a player's fielding rating increase....

Excluding catcher i'd agree

I wouldn't exclude catcher. Because some players would be capable of playing it. There are few, to be sure, but some could do it in a pinch. I could see giving some players 0 rating for catching. It would depend on the individual player.

For instance, when he played, Brandon Inge could play darn near anywhere, and play it well. Including catcher....He just couldn't hit much LOL

[JoseJoseph9119]

Re: How do you develop a new position

Had a string of bad injuries that left me without a shortstop. I moved my CF there and had him play for 3 games without editing his secondary position. He had 3 errors but now he “knows” how to play the position so I added it as his secondary. I think that’s fair

[Caulfield]

Re: How do you develop a new position

Any Giant fans play with Pablo Sandoval at second?And I still stand by my decision in '16 to move David Freese to second.

[ZekeRoberts]

Re: How do you develop a new position

Love this discussion. So even after I doctored Pederson as I discussed earlier, he was missing key plays on hot shots down the line, covering his side of the gap etc. I don't know if he was just too slow, or if it was the secondary position penalty in effect or what, but i mostly gave up there. Would do it again in a pinch but had enough other guys to switch around to keep Joc in the outfield and his bat in the lineup. I love you Chase Utley but hitting .190 doesn't get you the start on my Dodgers.