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  • Caulfield
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2011
    • 10986

    #1

    Choosing between 5th Starters

    I have Wade Miley & Ubaldo Jimenez splitting time as the 5th starter but I'd really like to maximize the production if possible.
    Is it better to start Ubaldo more since he's a righty and Miley is a lefty? Or always start Miley, which is what the cpu suggests?
    Both are 69 overall & I'm not worried about age durability or injury because I'm just playing the one season with Baltimore.

    Tale of the tape on attributes:
    Ubaldo - Stamina - 75 | H/9 - 54 | K/9 - 62 | BB/9 - 52 | HR/9 - 56 | Clutch - 56
    Miley - - Stamina - 80 | H/9 - 50 | K/9 - 56 | BB/9 - 55 | HR/9 - 60 | Clutch - 54

    Ubaldo - Control - 57 | Velocity - 62 | Break - 82 (overalls)
    Miley - - Control - 56 | Velocity - 65 | Break - 57 (overalls)

    Ubaldo's pitch types - 2 Seam | 4 Seam | Splitter | Slider
    Miley's pitch types - 4 Seam | 2 Seam | Slider | Changeup | Curveball

    I don't know if the cpu is suggesting Miley because he has a 5th pitch or his stamina or his age. But if you total all these pertinents, Ubaldo 556, Miley 533.
    Their potential is within 3, Ubaldo 72, Miley 69.

    Again, the cpu says Miley but my gut says Ubaldo.

    I think after lunch I'll total up each individual pitch total for control velocity and break.
    No doubt that would swing it back Miley's way (by a bunch?) because of the 5th pitch.

    EDIT: just on Control Velocity & Break
    Ubaldo 660 (avg. 55)
    Miley 785 (avg. 52.3)

    well obviously the totals were going to go Miley's way but the quality of the pitch still belongs to Ubaldo.
    Last edited by Caulfield; 04-15-2018, 02:06 PM.
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  • ripham23232
    Rookie
    • Mar 2009
    • 171

    #2
    Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

    When I am picking between my 5th starter and my long reliever, assuming everything is pretty close, I generally let stamina be the tiebreaker. I like my starters to pitch deeper, and my long man only really needs to go 3 or so innings if I use him, so the stamina is a little more important for my starters.

    That's my personal preference. I usually carry six starters, six relievers, and a closer, so the sixth starter is typically always long relief.

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    • MBMavs20
      Pro
      • Oct 2002
      • 939

      #3
      Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

      Originally posted by Caulfield
      I have Wade Miley & Ubaldo Jimenez splitting time as the 5th starter but I'd really like to maximize the production if possible. Is it better to start Ubaldo more since he's a righty and Miley is a lefty? Or always start Miley, which is what the cpu suggests? Both are 69 overall & I'm not worried about age durability or injury because I'm just playing the one season with Baltimore.

      Tale of the tape on attributes:
      Ubaldo - Stamina - 75 | H/9 - 54 | K/9 - 62 | BB/9 - 52 | HR/9 - 56 | Clutch - 56
      Miley - Stamina - 80 | H/9 - 50 | K/9 - 56 | BB/9 - 55 | HR/9 - 60 | Clutch - 54

      Ubaldo - Control - 57 | Velocity - 62 | Break - 82 (overalls)
      Miley - Control - 56 | Velocity - 65 | Break - 57 (overalls)

      Ubaldo's pitch types - 2 Seam | 4 Seam | Splitter | Slider
      Miley's pitch types - 4 Seam | 2 Seam | Slider | Changeup | Curveball

      I don't know if the cpu is suggesting Miley because he has a 5th pitch or his stamina or his age. But if you total all these pertinents, Ubaldo 556, Miley 533.
      Their potential is within 3, Ubaldo 72, Miley 69.

      Again, the cpu says Miley but my gut says Ubaldo.

      I think after lunch I'll total up each individual pitch total for control velocity and break.
      No doubt that would swing it back Miley's way (by a bunch?) because of the 5th pitch.
      After you pick either Jimenez or Miley, will one stay in Majors and one go to AAA?

      I only ask because since their stats are basically the same, it would depend on the team I was facing. If they are top heavy with right handed hitters, I go with Jimenez. If they have left handed hitters as their best hitters, I go with Miley.

      Also I would look at the other team and see if they have a better record against righthanders or lefthanders...
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      • Caulfield
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 10986

        #4
        Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

        Originally posted by ripham23232
        When I am picking between my 5th starter and my long reliever, assuming everything is pretty close, I generally let stamina be the tiebreaker. I like my starters to pitch deeper, and my long man only really needs to go 3 or so innings if I use him, so the stamina is a little more important for my starters.

        That's my personal preference. I usually carry six starters, six relievers, and a closer, so the sixth starter is typically always long relief.

        Maybe that's what the cpu decides on as well. Makes sense. I'm going with 6 starters and 6 relievers in my O's season, too. Barring injury. Donnie Hart will be the first guy I call up when injury hits my pitching staff.
        I just shudder thinking about sending Miley against too many right-handed hitters.
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        • Caulfield
          Hall Of Fame
          • Apr 2011
          • 10986

          #5
          Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

          Originally posted by MBMavs20
          After you pick either Jimenez or Miley, will one stay in Majors and one go to AAA?

          I only ask because since their stats are basically the same, it would depend on the team I was facing. If they are top heavy with right handed hitters, I go with Jimenez. If they have left handed hitters as their best hitters, I go with Miley.

          Also I would look at the other team and see if they have a better record against righthanders or lefthanders...
          Jimenez and Miley are both staying on the big team.
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          • a bit outside
            Banned
            • Jun 2017
            • 187

            #6
            Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

            I would choose by what I lacked in the bullpen......if I was tilted with a bunch of right-handers in the pen, I would send Miley to the pen to help with lefty-lefty matchups. Just looking at all the other numbers it’s six one way and a half dozen the other.

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            • underdog13
              MVP
              • Apr 2012
              • 3222

              #7
              Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

              What are their durabilities? It helps with regaining stamina between starts.

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              • a bit outside
                Banned
                • Jun 2017
                • 187

                #8
                Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

                Originally posted by underdog13
                What are their durabilities? It helps with regaining stamina between starts.

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                I never thought about durability doing that, I was just focused on the injury part when I looked at that in the past.......my streak continues of learning something everyday.

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                • Caulfield
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 10986

                  #9
                  Re: Choosing between 5th Starters

                  Originally posted by a bit outside
                  I would choose by what I lacked in the bullpen......if I was tilted with a bunch of right-handers in the pen, I would send Miley to the pen to help with lefty-lefty matchups. Just looking at all the other numbers it’s six one way and a half dozen the other.
                  I have 4 righty starters before I get to Ubaldo & Miley.
                  I have too lefty many lefties in my 'pen: 3 lefties 3 righties (not including Miley & Ubaldo),
                  and the first reliever up from the farm is a lefty too (Donnie Hart 68 OVRALL)
                  I probably ought to call up Alec Asher, also 68 OVRALL, a righty starter, before Hart..


                  Originally posted by underdog13
                  What are their durabilities? It helps with regaining stamina between starts.
                  Ubaldo 76 Miley 64

                  My gut said Ubaldo, I was hoping to pinpoint why the cpu picks Miley.
                  Maybe because 4 lefties in the pen was a big no-no lol
                  Last edited by Caulfield; 04-15-2018, 04:38 PM.
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