I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

[KnightTemplar]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

First of all, quit the attitude. We can have an intelligent debate if you wish, but if you are going to resort to pettiness and insults, we can end it right here

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Nothing petty about it at all. There is nothing in what the dev said, or did that confirms anything. First i’d have a hard time believing you don’t do some exaggerating to try to prove your point. Seems the dev ‘triple checked’, and nothing. These boards would be absolutely alive with out rage if this happens like you say is happening ......way too often.

You have tried to convince us that you’re right. As the dev said LEGEND mode is brutal. It could be your ego that keeps taking losses in such a redundant manner. Maybe YOU need to step back and rethink how you are playing this game. There are levels for a reason, along with options/attributes/gamer input, etc.

Okay we get it....for you the game came with a coded/not coded/ boost. And it happens when you are losing.

[Padgoi]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

Actually I think what he was suggesting was that he was ensuring something wasn’t wrong in the coding that caused “scripting” to happen. And after reviewing everything he is stating that there is no scripting in the game.




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Agreed, but he still confirms that he sees weird stuff happen on occasion that made him go back and check the code three times. We all agree weird stuff happens in real baseball. In my opinion it happens more often in this game and usually at very opportune (or inopportune) times.

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[countryboy]

I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

Agreed, but he still confirms that he sees weird stuff happen on occasion that made him go back and check the code three times. We all agree weird stuff happens in real baseball. In my opinion it happens more often in this game and usually at very opportune (or inopportune) times.

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And again you’re trying to insinuate that there is Comeback code without coming right out and saying there is Comeback code.

I know you play on Legend. Maybe you should try going down a level and see what happens.

Also do you use the pitcher/batter analysis tool? If not I highly recommend doing so especially at higher difficulty levels

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[KBLover]

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In my opinion it happens more often in this game and usually at very opportune (or inopportune) times.

I'm curious as to how it would happen at more (or less) opportune times when there's no scripting/boosts/penalties involved.

Is it just Legend being Legend (I've never played there)? I think the first half is the key part - it just happens a lot (perhaps too much or it's Legend doing it). If it's happening a lot, some of times will be in important moments and more likely than it if happened rarely in general.

I've leaning towards either difficulty and/or manual fielding (and perhaps the difficulty is punishing for even the slightest not-perfect input). I don't play Legend (I'm on HoF) and use auto fielding and my error rate on default sliders was much too low if anything. After raising them all a few notches, I see more errors in general and sometimes they come at really bad times.

Without data, though, it's hard to say. It's one reason I track my stats.

[Baseball Purist]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

I'm curious as to how it would happen at more (or less) opportune times when there's no scripting/boosts/penalties involved.

Is it just Legend being Legend (I've never played there)? I think the first half is the key part - it just happens a lot (perhaps too much or it's Legend doing it). If it's happening a lot, some of times will be in important moments and more likely than it if happened rarely in general.

I've leaning towards either difficulty and/or manual fielding (and perhaps the difficulty is punishing for even the slightest not-perfect input). I don't play Legend (I'm on HoF) and use auto fielding and my error rate on default sliders was much too low if anything. After raising them all a few notches, I see more errors in general and sometimes they come at really bad times.

Without data, though, it's hard to say. It's one reason I track my stats.

Its legend. I wont say its scripting or comeback, but its very predictable. Youre not necessarily getting a better playing AI, although its improved, but instead youll have to overcome the obvious breaks the computer gets that the user doesnt.

I could literally start a series showing how much "stuff" happens on legend, but i enioy it for what it is. And it gives me the most enjoyable experience.

[HypoLuxa13]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[Caulfield]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

he needs to switch to dry food. canned food will do that.
how's that for a comeback?

[BegBy]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

I still stand by my other posts. I am seeing really wonky hitting from both myself and the cpu.

I decided to mess with sliders and drop down from legend to HoF. Things are more realistic in a few areas absolutely. Sadly, I now need to work out sliders because playing HoF I really find that I don't strike out nearly enough. With Legend difficulty I'll get K'd anywhere from 6-12 times a game, but on HoF I'm lucky to get K'd 5 times. Legend could be just difficult by fabricating difficulty, in which case - lacking realism/seeing what can appear to be predictable situations.

It's a great game this year, no doubt. Best year by far, but I really think it played better in general prior to the last patch or two.

[KBLover]

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I decided to mess with sliders and drop down from legend to HoF. Things are more realistic in a few areas absolutely. Sadly, I now need to work out sliders because playing HoF I really find that I don't strike out nearly enough. With Legend difficulty I'll get K'd anywhere from 6-12 times a game, but on HoF I'm lucky to get K'd 5 times. Legend could be just difficult by fabricating difficulty, in which case - lacking realism/seeing what can appear to be predictable situations.

I was tempted to try Legend hitting but if it's doing that kind of stuff, no thanks.

I'd rather strike out infrequently than strikeout 10 times because of difficulty rather than player ratings, especially on Directional.

[BegBy]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

I was tempted to try Legend hitting but if it's doing that kind of stuff, no thanks.

I'd rather strike out infrequently than strikeout 10 times because of difficulty rather than player ratings, especially on Directional.

Oddly the K's seem pretty legit. It's other stuff. Like hitting opposite field on an inside pitch high in the zone regularly. There's also some pretty suspect stuff which could easily lend itself to scripting/comeback theories. It's unfortunate because I really love how the CPU pitches on Legend. They attack and the live on the black, but even when they hang a meatball (as of the last patch or so) you're lucky to get into the outfield. Could also be directional or me sucking. Who knows...could just be bad luck or me seeing what I want via confirmation bias.

It's such a good game this year. The stuff that stands out as bad really stands out now because there is just so much other good stuff. Fly in the ointment, as it were.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

My dog's breath smells like cat.

[JoshC1977]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

Whether or not someone "believes" in comeback code or whatever; it's immaterial. Padgoi is saying that he is seeing some wonky stuff and that it appears to be worse than it was pre-patches (never mind the fact that the longest time any of us have had on one patch is on the current one...more sample size, more time to see things...leaving to a bit of confirmation bias). All I can say is that I have not seen any of these weird issues with any unnatural frequency (on any patch) and I play on HOF currently (Padgoi is on Legend).

Throwing this out there....but does the CPU get some sort of boost to their "clutch" ratings on legend or something like that...something that is enough to skew "the equation" so to speak? There may be an inherent "boost" on the ultra-high difficulties that leads to more unusual outcomes. This is the rub of playing on the ultra-high difficulties (just like how the AI opponents on FPS games become "bullet sponges)....you're likely going to sacrifice some realism for difficulty. You're essentially playing craps in Vegas with loaded die....it makes it harder to win for sure, but it is inherently unfair.

You have to ultimately decide what is more important to you and whether or not you can accept it for what it is should you opt for that high difficulty.

[countryboy]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

I play on default Legend and have not experienced any of the wonkiness that has been described in this thread.

The game is “tougher” but I have not seen anything that leads to believe that the CPU is getting an unfair advantage at this level.


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[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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II for one have played this game for years and have never seen anything over 162 games, playing every pitch, sometimes on legend, sometimes on HOF, (This year on Legend) that makes me think there is any sort of comeback code. Any time you take a small sample size, you could see things that seem like that. Also if you play a large number of games in a short period of time, it will seem like you are seeing rallies/comebacks more often. (Kind of like playing online poker multiple tables, and getting your pocket Aces beaten several times in one day, so you feel it must be rigged - but per hand it averages out)

That being said, after patch 1.08, at least two other slider creators here mentioned in their thread sudden rallies by the CPU that didn't seem quite right. One of these is a Legend set, and the other is a HOF set. (There was also another one that privately messaged me about 1.08) I think after some slider adjustments one or two of them might have at least somewhat reeled it in, as I haven't seen much more about it. But the HOF set mentioned it was noticeable even before patch 1.08 dropped, and they had been looking for a way to curb it.

I can't speak for it because I have not seen anything along these lines myself, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss the possibility since something similar has been mentioned by several reputable people even on different difficulty levels. They weren't complaining or mentioning comeback code. But they were simply looking for a solution to what seemed to be multiple games in which there clearly were sudden innings where the CPU seemed to have unstoppable rallies, then quickly back to normal.

I also should mention I'm still with patch 1.07 for now, so I don't have a clue personally about 1.08.

[Baseball Purist]

Re: I loved this game when it first came out, but the patches have ruined it for me

II for one have played this game for years and have never seen anything over 162 games, playing every pitch, sometimes on legend, sometimes on HOF, (This year on Legend) that makes me think there is any sort of comeback code. Any time you take a small sample size, you could see things that seem like that. Also if you play a large number of games in a short period of time, it will seem like you are seeing rallies/comebacks more often. (Kind of like playing online poker multiple tables, and getting your pocket Aces beaten several times in one day, so you feel it must be rigged - but per hand it averages out)

That being said, after patch 1.08, at least two other slider creators here mentioned in their thread sudden rallies by the CPU that didn't seem quite right. One of these is a Legend set, and the other is a HOF set. (There was also another one that privately messaged me about 1.08) I think after some slider adjustments one or two of them might have at least somewhat reeled it in, as I haven't seen much more about it. But the HOF set mentioned it was noticeable even before patch 1.08 dropped, and they had been looking for a way to curb it.

I can't speak for it because I have not seen anything along these lines myself, but I'm not going to be too quick to dismiss the possibility since something similar has been mentioned by several reputable people even on different difficulty levels. They weren't complaining or mentioning comeback code. But they were simply looking for a solution to what seemed to be multiple games in which there clearly were sudden innings where the CPU seemed to have unstoppable rallies, then quickly back to normal.

I also should mention I'm still with patch 1.07 for now, so I don't have a clue personally about 1.08.

Hmmm, ive been struggling with this for about the last calendar month of my franchise. I managed to get to 14 games over .500 on default legend by late may, before all of a sudden the wheels fell off for my pitching. Started having multiple games of giving up 10 plus runs a games were it seemed the cpu kicked it up a notch. I blew a 9 to 1 lead to Baltimore that didnt feel "right" at all but it happens.

My only thing is i think that trend for me started right before patch 1.08. Its deff been more of a challenge for me pitching wise, but im hoping ive just hit a severe cold pitching stretch. My concern is that ive been seeing a lot of stuff that is out of my control that aids the computer more. It has me considering turning on perfect strike zones and auto fielding.