Major Global Lighting Bug (Fenway)

[EnigmaNemesis]

I am not sure if anyone else has noticed this in other parks, but I have noticed this lighting bug(?) being very prevalent at Fenway Park. It happens in every game that I have played there so far (my prior games were in domes). It does not matter if it is 'Play Now Live' games or 'Franchise'.

I have yet to test it in other stadiums, however if you notice, the lighting & shadows can sometimes 'bug out' and change per batter (when the dynamic refreshes/updates).


3rd inning:














4th inning:












6th inning (looked good until it got wonky again):










Does anyone else notice this in their experience, or has it been brought up before? I noticed it back when the game first launched, but assumed something this noticeable was known/would be patched. It is very jarring and can be hard to pick up the ball when the overly bright one shows up.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

Re: Major Global Lighting Bug (Fenway)

I refuse to play any games that's at 4:05.

Innings 3,6,9 is pain to try and pick up the ball.


Don't have an issue with start times at other games.

[BlacknBlue]

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I'm not sure what you are trying to point out in the pictures.

The only thing I am seeing is a difference for when the sun goes behind a cloud and the environment is cast in a shadow, briefly, from that occurring.

The biggest issue I have seen with the lighting is for dusk, when the game goes to pitch black skies immediately after having a gradual darkening for the prior 5 innings or so.

[zukes]

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Wtf? I’m not sure where you live but the sun can go behind a cloud at any time, and can be immediate! I think this is amazing!

[SmashMan]

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This is not what is happening. At all. The sun does not go from one point, then the next batter across the sky, then the following batter, right back to the position it was prior.

That's...not happening in your screens. The sun isn't moving. You're seeing their attempt at mimicking different exposures in different lighting conditions.

You're free to not be a fan of it, though.



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[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Major Global Lighting Bug (Fenway)

That's...not happening in your screens. The sun isn't moving. You're seeing their attempt at mimicking different exposures in different lighting conditions.

You're free to not be a fan of it, though.



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Are you saying it is the result of the sun reflecting light off of the clouds? So when those clouds reach the sun's direct light path, it brightens due to the clouds reflecting it more?

What confused me was the other person's comment about the sun going behind the clouds... when at Fenway, it would not be behind those clouds that are super bright.

So they are super bright due to reflecting the sun's direct light path? Then out of the light path, then later in the game again in the light path to reflect based on the suns positioning?

Wtf? I’m not sure where you live but the sun can go behind a cloud at any time, and can be immediate! I think this is amazing!

Now that I think I understand it better, if I am correct on my assumption again, yes, it is amazing. But there are a few things that do seem a little off.

I am from Tatooine, cut me some slack, I have to deal with two suns here.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I still do not understand how the shadows completely disappear and turn to show dots in some though. That does seem a little off.

[Herschie]

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How far we've come when we're nitpicking shadows going behind clouds! I still remember crying when I found out that the original RBI Baseball didn't even have the Cubs. My mother told me to quit crying, or she'll give me something to cry about. Which she did when she handed me a bucket and a mop, since I apparently had some free time now that I wasn't playing the game anymore.

The day she bought me Touchdown Fever, I remember begging for the bucket and mop.

[EnigmaNemesis]

Major Global Lighting Bug (Fenway)

Nice insightful post that added absolutely nothing.

Stop thread whining. Do what yo momma told you.

People who know me, from the devs, to here, know I don’t nitpick. I thought there was an issue that I seemingly been corrected on. The devs themselves helped curate this culture, from the community events, to feedback on uniform, mannerism authenticity, “the little things”, etc.. I used to be one of the CE guys that had to “pay attention to the details” in stadiums and uniforms to go back and forth with select devs for improvements and adjustments.

It’s called feedback. Otherwise, you can still be playing your Atari games and, “not complain”.

As for the lighting where I thought was an issue, I finally got a clear sky game in my franchise and it did not do above. So I just learned, that it is a mechanic off the clouds, even if I personally feel it could be dialed back a hair as far as intensity on how jarring it can be per batter.


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[SmashMan]

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Are you saying it is the result of the sun reflecting light off of the clouds? So when those clouds reach the sun's direct light path, it brightens due to the clouds reflecting it more?

What confused me was the other person's comment about the sun going behind the clouds... when at Fenway, it would not be behind those clouds that are super bright.

So they are super bright due to reflecting the sun's direct light path? Then out of the light path, then later in the game again in the light path to reflect based on the suns positioning?

I don't know that the game has light reflecting off the clouds, so I don't want to guess too far on that; but a lot of your pics are definitely the cloud obstructing the sun. The faded shadows, the "cooler" blue look to everything, etc.

I think (emphasis on think, because clearly I know as much as anyone else) that the super bright is due to the camera angle when playing, it's placing more importance on the field/players and making sure the lighting there is balanced. The light reflecting off the clouds gets blown out in the background as an effect of that. Again, that's just what I think is happening - obviously if any Sony guys are lurking around they can pop in and clear this all up, haha.

As for it happening too suddenly between batters...I can see that point, but it's not something that bothers me. I just chalk it up to something video gamey because it's not running a real-time sky simulation.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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I don't know that the game has light reflecting off the clouds, so I don't want to guess too far on that; but a lot of your pics are definitely the cloud obstructing the sun. The faded shadows, the "cooler" blue look to everything, etc.

I think (emphasis on think, because clearly I know as much as anyone else) that the super bright is due to the camera angle when playing, it's placing more importance on the field/players and making sure the lighting there is balanced. The light reflecting off the clouds gets blown out in the background as an effect of that. Again, that's just what I think is happening - obviously if any Sony guys are lurking around they can pop in and clear this all up, haha.

As for it happening too suddenly between batters...I can see that point, but it's not something that bothers me. I just chalk it up to something video gamey because it's not running a real-time sky simulation.

I thought it was the clouds obstructing too since that is what it looks like, but the only thing is, the sun is behind home plate/third baseline at Fenway (around that time, you can tell by the lightpoles and behind home plate shadows). It would not be out in right CF for the clouds to obstruct... then it is seemingly in RF later on if it's the clouds obstructing. That is where my confusion is.

It only seems to happen in 4:00pm games. The 1:00pm game I played it was consistent every single batter, albeit clear skies and normal shadow progression.

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[BlacknBlue]

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You are overthinking this way too much.

The difference is, as I stated before, when the sun is unobstructed and shining on the field, versus when it is literally behind a cloud and you are seeing the dimmed lighting.

The clouds in your pictures are not the ones in which the sun is behind. As you have already stated, the sun is behind home plate and heading towards the third base side of Fenway during this time. The clouds that the sun are going behind are literally right on that side of the stadium, as well.

As in real life, when this occurs, the camera will adjust to take in more light and gives an appearance of a cool (or blueish) hue. When the sun comes back out from behind the clouds the camera will become "hot" and take in more lighting and things will have a warmer hue to them.

But as you are already sort of deducing if you were to select the weather with clear skies you would not see these transitions, as there would not be virtual clouds for the sun to go behind. When the screen darkens like you're describing, the virtual sun has gone behind a virtual cloud (which do move in the game) and your point of view from inside of the ballpark is casked in a virtual shadow.

See the crude diagram below:


0> [_____i______] >>>

Legend:
0=sun >=cloud [____]=fenway i=plyers
>>>=clouds in the outfield that you are seeing that aren't obstructing the sun

[SmashMan]

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I thought it was the clouds obstructing too since that is what it looks like, but the only thing is, the sun is behind home plate/third baseline at Fenway (around that time, you can tell by the lightpoles and behind home plate shadows). It would not be out in right CF for the clouds to obstruct... then it is seemingly in RF later on if it's the clouds obstructing. That is where my confusion is.

Sorry man, you lose me any time you reference the sun being in right-center. Any cloud obstruction is happening behind home plate, obviously you know this because we can look at the shadows and see the light source coming from that direction.

The sky's appearance that happens with the different degrees of cloud coverage (which I think is what you're talking about on the darkest screens) is I think just a result of how they're handling light exposure to the in-game camera.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Sorry man, you lose me any time you reference the sun being in right-center. Any cloud obstruction is happening behind home plate, obviously you know this because we can look at the shadows and see the light source coming from that direction.

The sky's appearance that happens with the different degrees of cloud coverage (which I think is what you're talking about on the darkest screens) is I think just a result of how they're handling light exposure to the in-game camera.

Aren't you saying the reason the clouds are getting overexposed, are due to them obstructing the sun?

So how can those RC field clouds get super bright from "obstruction", when the sun is not positioned there to obstruct?

Or are you saying it is properly positioned behind home plate, and when the clouds are not in that overexposed state, it is due to clouds (we don't see) passing by behind home plate?

That would make sense. I am getting lost on the "obstruction" part.

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[EnigmaNemesis]

Re: Major Global Lighting Bug (Fenway)

You are overthinking this way too much.

The difference is, as I stated before, when the sun is unobstructed and shining on the field, versus when it is literally behind a cloud and you are seeing the dimmed lighting.

The clouds in your pictures are not the ones in which the sun is behind. As you have already stated, the sun is behind home plate and heading towards the third base side of Fenway during this time. The clouds that the sun are going behind are literally right on that side of the stadium, as well.

As in real life, when this occurs, the camera will adjust to take in more light and gives an appearance of a cool (or blueish) hue. When the sun comes back out from behind the clouds the camera will become "hot" and take in more lighting and things will have a warmer hue to them.

But as you are already sort of deducing if you were to select the weather with clear skies you would not see these transitions, as there would not be virtual clouds for the sun to go behind. When the screen darkens like you're describing, the virtual sun has gone behind a virtual cloud (which do move in the game) and your point of view from inside of the ballpark is casked in a virtual shadow.

See the crude diagram below:


0> [_____i______] >>>

Legend:
0=sun >=cloud [____]=fenway i=plyers
>>>=clouds in the outfield that you are seeing that aren't obstructing the sun

There we go, now that makes sense. Now it is becoming more clear (pun intended), and why it does not happen on clear days.

Thank you.

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