Stealing is Impossible

[bigwill33]

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Don’t even worry about a lead or holding and releasing L2. Just press L2 once, the. Hold L1 in through the pitchers pitch.

The idea is that your runner is leaning and can get a good jump on the pitch, and because he did not take a lead, it does not draw the pitchers attention. Try it!

Finally got around to trying this and I did have some success with it. Went 4 for 6 in steals with players that had low steal ratings but decent speed. So that is an improvement for my team. Really helps to be able to have a threat of stealing in certain situations and counts. Keeps the CPU honest and manufactures more offense for my team so it isn't all homers and doubles that drives everyone in.

Thanks!

[LionsFan01]

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Don't know what's been going on lately, but stealing has become almost impossible for me after being pretty realistic outside of all the pickoffs up until now. Not sure if something was snuck in with 1.12 or what, but it's almost like my runner is in slow motion for the first couple steps after he turns to run. The initial movement is timed well enough, but he just doesn't go anywhere and ends up getting thrown out by 3-4 steps. Almost like some sort of "stuck in the mud" animation. It's easy to see with a runner on 2nd. And these aren't marginal base stealers it's happening to. It's guys with speed and steal ratings in the mid 80's and above. I tried jacking the base stealing ability all the way up just to see what effect it would have and it had none. I don't normally manually steal, but I tried it once I had a runner on 2nd with 2 outs so I wouldn't have to worry about the pickoff and the same thing happened. I'm at a loss as to why this has changed so suddenly for me.

[countryboy]

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What I do is press L2 when I want to steal prior to the pitcher coming set. Then I'll time it to press L1 and get an extra step/early break when I think he's about to go home with the pitch. This has lead to pretty good success. It's not automatic and I do get thrown out and picked off, but I'm at .667% success rate, good for 18th in the majors.

And keep in mind that I don't have a running team this year.

[joshearl]

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It can also help to watch the mannerisms of the pitcher, they all pretty much do the same thing before they pitch the ball. What do they do with their arms? How many times do they look over to first? Do they have an exaggerated leg kick? I used to struggle with stealing to the point I just didn't bother doing it, but then I started to really watch the pitcher and it helped. I find left-handed pitchers the easiest because you can see all those signs much more easier than righties.

[jeffy777]

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What I do is press L2 when I want to steal prior to the pitcher coming set. Then I'll time it to press L1 and get an extra step/early break when I think he's about to go home with the pitch. This has lead to pretty good success. It's not automatic and I do get thrown out and picked off, but I'm at .667% success rate, good for 18th in the majors.

And keep in mind that I don't have a running team this year.

This is what I started doing and having better success. I used to time my own jumps, but would always get owned by the slidesteps. Now with this method I'm even beating some of the slidesteps, so I'm happy.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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I haven't had too much of an issue with stealing. When I get gunned down, it's because I either messed up, or stole with the wrong player.

My problem lies with your AI's logic.

I prefer to be hands off on a steal, because I'm more of a ratings person. I like to be as hands off as possible.

So, in this instance I had runners at the corners, down 3-2 in the bottom of the 7th to the Cubs as the Marlins with Maybin(77 steal) at 1st Base. Got a good jump and stole as Cishek throws an inside changeup.

Maybin then proceeds to slide FEET FIRST and gets tagged out at 2nd. Granted, Contreras is a good catcher, but had Maybin done the smart thing and head first slid into 2nd, he would've been fine. What kind of idiot feet first slides into 2nd in a clutch situation like that? Not a veteran like Maybin for sure.

The AI's logic or RNG system is absolutely stupid. I'm not sure what dictates the player's method of slide, but that is inexcusable. A player's stealing IQ and what to do in a particular steal situation should be tied to their stealing rating. Maybin's being a 77 should make it nearly a 0.001% chance that Maybin slides feet first into 2nd in that situation.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I haven't had too much of an issue with stealing. When I get gunned down, it's because I either messed up, or stole with the wrong player.

My problem lies with your AI's logic.

I prefer to be hands off on a steal, because I'm more of a ratings person. I like to be as hands off as possible.

So, in this instance I had runners at the corners, down 3-2 in the bottom of the 7th to the Cubs as the Marlins with Maybin(77 steal) at 1st Base. Got a good jump and stole as Cishek throws an inside changeup.

Maybin then proceeds to slide FEET FIRST and gets tagged out at 2nd. Granted, Contreras is a good catcher, but had Maybin done the smart thing and head first slid into 2nd, he would've been fine. What kind of idiot feet first slides into 2nd in a clutch situation like that? Not a veteran like Maybin for sure.

The AI's logic or RNG system is absolutely stupid. I'm not sure what dictates the player's method of slide, but that is inexcusable. A player's stealing IQ and what to do in a particular steal situation should be tied to their stealing rating. Maybin's being a 77 should make it nearly a 0.001% chance that Maybin slides feet first into 2nd in that situation.

Since ratings don't govern how a player slides, can you not choose his slide for him? I know that's not hands-off, but hands-off is only good where the AI is good. Or am i missing something?

[KBLover]

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What I do is press L2 when I want to steal prior to the pitcher coming set. Then I'll time it to press L1 and get an extra step/early break when I think he's about to go home with the pitch. This has lead to pretty good success. It's not automatic and I do get thrown out and picked off, but I'm at .667% success rate, good for 18th in the majors.

This is close to my approach. Only difference is I try to take that L1 lead before he's set (less chance of the AI input reading and doing a "perfect" pickoff).

Since I use auto baserunning, runners can go on their own, so I usually take an L1 lead when I think they want to go, but only if they don't take that on their own (I don't want them to double lead lol).

I'll also read how long the pitcher is holding the ball. If he holds it for a long time, I'll step out. Sometimes, that's a sign he's up to something, either a pitch out or a deceptive pickoff move.

[jeffy777]

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On a side note: one thing I’ve heard MLB commentators around the league say this year is that you almost never see a straight pitchout in the big leagues any more. In The Show, the AI absolutely loves to pitchout if you have a fairly fast guy on. Maybe next year they’ll tone it down a bit to bring it more in line with reality.

[Hellquist]

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I did what that one guy said (hold L2, press L1) waiting on the 2-0 count and I stole bases, finally. Now? I get caught stealing 100% of the time again. I'm stealing (more like trying) with Trea Turner who has a rating of 99 stealing and 90 speed, but the AI can steal bases with some freaking dude on the Pirates with 32 speed and an even lower stealing rating is stealing bases like it's nothing. It doesn't make any sense. I just gave up.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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On a side note: one thing I’ve heard MLB commentators around the league say this year is that you almost never see a straight pitchout in the big leagues any more. In The Show, the AI absolutely loves to pitchout if you have a fairly fast guy on. Maybe next year they’ll tone it down a bit to bring it more in line with reality.

it's not just that, it's pickoffs in general. I've seen the AI try and pick me off 8 times in a row, and that was just on default slider. If you tone the slider down(I have mine at 2), I get maybe 1 or 2 pitchouts a game, and those are usually in late-game situations.

[Vanilla_Gorilla]

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Since ratings don't govern how a player slides, can you not choose his slide for him? I know that's not hands-off, but hands-off is only good where the AI is good. Or am i missing something?

That's what I'm saying, Stealing rating should also include the player's stealing IQ. What to do in certain situations, how to slide, jumps, etc..

Is it left-stick or right-stick that determines a player's slide?

[countryboy]

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That's what I'm saying, Stealing rating should also include the player's stealing IQ. What to do in certain situations, how to slide, jumps, etc..



Is it left-stick or right-stick that determines a player's slide?

Right stick


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[The_Gaming_Disciple]

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I did what that one guy said (hold L2, press L1) waiting on the 2-0 count and I stole bases, finally. Now? I get caught stealing 100% of the time again. I'm stealing (more like trying) with Trea Turner who has a rating of 99 stealing and 90 speed, but the AI can steal bases with some freaking dude on the Pirates with 32 speed and an even lower stealing rating is stealing bases like it's nothing. It doesn't make any sense. I just gave up.

Check this video out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAYWUSqAk8&lc=z234xbp4vyqwvhsdvacdp435vzegp4m41iutgovsob1w03c010c.1531179165238692

[PPerfect_CJ]

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I've just given up attempting a steal. I never even get the chance, because the pitcher always throws over to first the second I take one step away from the bag. It's about as effective as bunting.