Zero Stamina Pitchers

[LionsFan01]

Let's talk about the CPU leaving in pitchers with zero stamina. Happens regularly in blowouts. I just played a game that was a 10-0 win and I faced the same reliever for 5 innings, 3 of which were thrown after he was at zero stamina. Finished the game with 87 pitches. Why can't this be addressed? Seems like this has been an issue for years now, with the CPU just riding 1 or 2 relievers and leaving them in for an unrealistic number of pitches. Doesn't happen in close games as the CPU will change pitchers sometimes sooner than I'd expect. But in blowouts, all that logic goes out the window. Takes away one of the main benefits of chasing the starter early which is getting into the bullpen and making the opposing team use multiple arms to finish the game. Not to mention the penalties are minimal at best. Velocity drops 2-3 MPH, which means guys who throw hard can still hit 95+. Movement is still there. Command suffers a tiny bit, but they'll still hit the corners regularly. Just don't understand why the bullpen logic just disappears if the game isn't close.

[nickyb6]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

i have the same issue it’s ridiculous tbh

[sabastiane]

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I go to team select and bring in a pitcher for them when this happens.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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When i have seen this, i go in bump up the hook slider, and they are usually pulled by the next batter

[Mbunn1993]

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Use mike Lowe’s slider method of hook at 2, then 9 once they go to bullpen

[Caulfield]

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He's not really tired despite what the meters say. And when the cpu is being blown out I guess the opposing manager doesnt think it makes sense to tire out the rest of the 'pen in an already lost cause.
*shrug*

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

Seems like any time they have a shutout going, the CPU will try to have their starting pitcher close it out, even when his meter is drained and pitch count is high.

And, to me at least, it seems like when their confidence is extremely high, it mitigates the negative effects of that pitcher having no energy left on his meter.

[forme95]

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I've had 2 games back to back this way. I cant switch sides and take him out either because this is my manage mode frachise and you cant switch sides. Totally takes away from the immersion of the game. That and the using the same relievers for the entire series. Fresh arms in the bullpen, but they use the tired/no energy guys instead.

Stat line for Reliever last game who came in beginning 4th: 6.0 (4.0 no energy because he pitched the day before 3.0 innings) 8 hits 6 homeruns 5 BB 2 SO 104 PC
For the record, yes third inning in I moved hook to 9 and nothing changed.

For 19 they need to not add any stupid additions or dumba$$ extras and just fix what they have already. Give the cpu a d#$m brain.

[countryboy]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

Question

Is it only long relievers they are leaving in for a prolonged period of time?


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[forme95]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

Question

Is it only long relievers they are leaving in for a prolonged period of time?


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Yes countryboy in my case. It seems to always be the LR spot, who usually is a 6th starting pitcher. Ive tried in other franchises to remove the LR pitcher, but the cpu keeps moving them back. I got tired of going in every day and moving guys out of the LR spot, especially the 6th starter. Its really frustrating, but it is what it is I guess until they do something about it. I really dont want to micro manage the other teams.

[countryboy]

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Yes countryboy in my case. It seems to always be the LR spot, who usually is a 6th starting pitcher. Ive tried in other franchises to remove the LR pitcher, but the cpu keeps moving them back. I got tired of going in every day and moving guys out of the LR spot, especially the 6th starter. Its really frustrating, but it is what it is I guess until they do something about it. I really dont want to micro manage the other teams.

That was going to my suggestion to move them out to see if it helped.

Also going to suggest moving them prior to series starting but it doesn’t sound as though that band aid works either.

For me if I see it happening I just switch teams and “fix” it but that’s not possible in MoM

Sorry I can’t offer anything else to help


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[forme95]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

That was going to my suggestion to move them out to see if it helped.

Also going to suggest moving them prior to series starting but it doesn’t sound as though that band aid works either.

For me if I see it happening I just switch teams and “fix” it but that’s not possible in MoM

Sorry I can’t offer anything else to help


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Im in game 3 of the series and yet again, wash, rinse, repeat. 3rd game in a row of 8+ homeruns (series Indians (me) 23 Angels 4) leading to another blow out, leading to Tropeano making a 3rd appearance, leading to ANOTHER 3+ inning pitcher.

Could it be the Hybrid roster? I only got 2 games in with patch 1.10 with the hybrid and this is game 4 with 1.11. Just trying to make sense of this. I really appreciate you trying to help countryboy.

I actually have my other (OSFM) franchise still. I am going to do a few games and see if I see any difference. I havent played any since the update with that. Its a longshot that thats what it is, but Im sure I should see some kind of difference.

[countryboy]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

Im in game 3 of the series and yet again, wash, rinse, repeat. 3rd game in a row of 8+ homeruns (series Indians (me) 23 Angels 4) leading to another blow out, leading to Tropeano making a 3rd appearance, leading to ANOTHER 3+ inning pitcher.



Could it be the Hybrid roster? I only got 2 games in with patch 1.10 with the hybrid and this is game 4 with 1.11. Just trying to make sense of this. I really appreciate you trying to help countryboy.



I actually have my other (OSFM) franchise still. I am going to do a few games and see if I see any difference. I havent played any since the update with that. Its a longshot that thats what it is, but Im sure I should see some kind of difference.

It could be

I’m playing a carryover franchise that used default rosters (I made edits within franchise) and haven’t experienced this to the level you’re describing.




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[forme95]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

It could be

I’m playing a carryover franchise that used default rosters (I made edits within franchise) and haven’t experienced this to the level you’re describing.




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Its interesting how guys who are using carryover rosters arent having issues like the 18 roster guys are. Armor (who I watch religously) uses carry over and same thing, its like night and day. I really think SDS this year just threw rosters together with no thought or very little.

I actually have considered buying 17 and simming through a season and then carry it over to 18 lol. Guys who are using a carryover are having such a different experience that its almost worth trying it.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Its interesting how guys who are using carryover rosters arent having issues like the 18 roster guys are. Armor (who I watch religously) uses carry over and same thing, its like night and day. I really think SDS this year just threw rosters together with no thought or very little.

I actually have considered buying 17 and simming through a season and then carry it over to 18 lol. Guys who are using a carryover are having such a different experience that its almost worth trying it.

This is the first time hearing someone mention this, but I have noticed this for a while. I just kind of blew it off, and I've never said anything to anyone, because I don't see how that would even make much of a difference. But, time after time, i hear of carryovers having a better experience. Mike Lowe also uses a carryover, and has much better results than others (at least several people i have talked to that used his set, can't speak for others).

I started out with a carryover franchise with 17 OSFM using Mike Lowe's set and it played great with no tweaking. I noticed a big difference immediately when I switched to 18 OSFM. After a lot of slider testing and tweaking I finally got it to where I like it. But It did seem much easier and better with my carryover. I thought it was a coincidence, but over time i have noticed the same thing you are pointing out.

Could be a strange coincidence, but at least I'm glad to see someone else with the same thought.