Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

[countryboy]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

Its interesting how guys who are using carryover rosters arent having issues like the 18 roster guys are. Armor (who I watch religously) uses carry over and same thing, its like night and day. I really think SDS this year just threw rosters together with no thought or very little.



I actually have considered buying 17 and simming through a season and then carry it over to 18 lol. Guys who are using a carryover are having such a different experience that its almost worth trying it.

You don’t have to buy it. I’ll send it to you to do this and you send back.

I’m serious



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[GlennN]

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I don't have a problem with the cpu leaving in a reliever too long in a blowout loss. Saving the bullpen in a lost cause seems like a reasonable rationale. I do agree that what you describe is not enough consequence to doing this though. The velocity and control should take a major hit when stamina go to zero. Also, the chance of injury should go way up.

[Unlucky 13]

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I've been playing The Show since 2008 (skipping only 2017), and had never seen this prior to this year. However, I've seen it numerous times in my franchise in 2018.

Generally speaking, the most frequent occurance that I see it is when I knock the CPU pitcher out of the game in the third inning or earlier. They will being in their long reliever, and as long as the game remains a blowout, they'll continue to pitch him, even after his stamina is depleated, even choosing not to pinch hit for him. I've had games where the LR even gets two at bats.

As others have said, this SEEMS to be a change to preserve the others in the bullpen. They figure that today's game is lost, and don't want to compound the problem in the coming days. Which makes sense. However, when the CPU pitcher is on the red circle warning level for multiple innings, it makes me wonder if that really means anything, because they don't ever pitch worse from that point on, and never get injured. I had one game where he must have thrown 50 pitches after that point. No change.

The problem that this solves is the CPU running out of pitchers in a long, blowout game, especially when playing with NL rules where they would almost always pinch hit for them in years past. I have played every game of my current franchise from March 2018 through June 2019, and I have yet to see the CPU bring in a starting pitcher as a reliever, even once. In years past with the game, when I played my cards right and forced them to wear themselves out, I probably saw that about once a month. If I did it in game one of a series, it could lead to a lot of fun in the other games, lol.

[saucerset]

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I had one game where the starter had zero energy for the last 3 innings and ended up throwing almost 150 pitches. His accuracy and velocity was still spot on. I think on that occasion that relievers were coming in but it just never swapped out the character or reset the pitch count.

[Unlucky 13]

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While we're on the subject, what are your thought on what determines how many pitches a guy can throw beyond stamina? In this year's game, I notice all the time that some pitchers with stamina in the mid 70s can throw over 80 pitches before they're exhausted, while others are done once they get into the 60s. Age seems to play a part. I have a 21 year old who will be going along great, but once he gets to around 60 pitches after five innings, he's totally spent.

[Aviator87AC]

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Funny, I rarely encounter any of these issues in '18. Albeit, I'm using A&S sliders on HOF and blow outs don't happen that often, but even in the blow out games the manager hook is spot on. Seriously, I've never seen an opposing pitcher left in like this unless there's no one else to pick from.

[Unlucky 13]

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Funny, I rarely encounter any of these issues in '18. Albeit, I'm using A&S sliders on HOF and blow outs don't happen that often, but even in the blow out games the manager hook is spot on. Seriously, I've never seen an opposing pitcher left in like this unless there's no one else to pick from.

I'm playing the game in its out of the box form (no updates), with sliders adjusted slightly in my favor while batting. No adjustments to CPU pitchers. I suppose its entirely possible that its an issue that was patched at some point, so people who have done updates would not notice, however enough of us have seen it that I'm not sure.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

Re: Zero Stamina Pitchers

While we're on the subject, what are your thought on what determines how many pitches a guy can throw beyond stamina? In this year's game, I notice all the time that some pitchers with stamina in the mid 70s can throw over 80 pitches before they're exhausted, while others are done once they get into the 60s. Age seems to play a part. I have a 21 year old who will be going along great, but once he gets to around 60 pitches after five innings, he's totally spent.

When you say exhausted, do you mean the meter is completely empty? Also do you max out the effort on a lot of pitches? Or are you seeing this with CPU pitchers

[Unlucky 13]

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When you say exhausted, do you mean the meter is completely empty? Also do you max out the effort on a lot of pitches? Or are you seeing this with CPU pitchers

Exhausted = into the orange or red

I do not often max out. With starters, really only when I'm trying to get a third strike on a guy with high heat, almost as a last resort. A few times a game, tops.

Yes, my players and CPU starters both

Generally speaking, some players with the same level of stamina are often able to throw several dozen more pitches than others before they're worn out and need to come out of the game, or at least are close to it. Pitcher A with a 70 stamina might be able to throw 80 pitches, while pitcher B with a 70 might only throw 60.

I can't remember seeing this in 2016 or earlier, but I've seen it quite a bit this year. Younger guys seem to wear down more quickly.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Exhausted = into the orange or red

I do not often max out. With starters, really only when I'm trying to get a third strike on a guy with high heat, almost as a last resort. A few times a game, tops.

Yes, my players and CPU starters both

Generally speaking, some players with the same level of stamina are often able to throw several dozen more pitches than others before they're worn out and need to come out of the game, or at least are close to it. Pitcher A with a 70 stamina might be able to throw 80 pitches, while pitcher B with a 70 might only throw 60.

I can't remember seeing this in 2016 or earlier, but I've seen it quite a bit this year. Younger guys seem to wear down more quickly.

I believe when it turns orange, they are at 25% energy for starters, or something like that. My SP's hit orange and i usually keep them in for another inning if their confidence is high. If their confidence isnt high, i notice a bigger difference in the penalty after it turns orange. If their confidence is high, i can usually get 20+ more pitches out of my starter and still have good stuff. Hamels turns orange around 85 pitches but i usually can keep with him until 100 or even to 110 if hes pitching great.

[Unlucky 13]

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I believe when it turns orange, they are at 25% energy for starters, or something like that. My SP's hit orange and i usually keep them in for another inning if their confidence is high. If their confidence isnt high, i notice a bigger difference in the penalty after it turns orange. If their confidence is high, i can usually get 20+ more pitches out of my starter and still have good stuff. Hamels turns orange around 85 pitches but i usually can keep with him until 100 or even to 110 if hes pitching great.

I basically agree on all counts. Just saying that I see a lot of variation in when pitchers with medium level stamina reach that point. Trying to figure out the reason why, or a pattern.