Constructive Opinions

[forme95]

Situation: Bottom of the 8th. KC up 6-5 to Indians (me). Zimmer on 1st. Count is full with 2 outs. I send Zimmer (steal 83) and pitcher throws to first, pickoff because Zimmer ran.

Now given the situation I can see it being realistic even though its never (that I known of) been done on a full count with 2 outs that a pitcher would throw over. Its automatic that the runner would run. Also, I have seen it here and there in over all the games Ive played, but the runner has always stayed on the bag.

Im not mad that it happened, just kind of :O that it did.

Should the game program in that on a full count with 2 outs it automatically should send the runner(s)? Not that that might have changed this outcome, but just because its a give me in baseball.

Just looking for feedback and thought this was interesting occurrence.

[coach422001]

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I have seen pitchers throw over 3-2 2 out if the first baseman is holding the runner on, though it is rare. With Zimmer on first if the first baseman is holding him on there is no point to send him on first movement. So once the pitcher is committed to going home then take off...but I'm not sure the game gives us that ability.

The game should with 3-2 2 out runner on first have the first baseman play behind the runner (if that's not happening that is change 1) and have the runner take off in this situation if the first baseman is playing behind him (change 2). If they don't play behind then you have to use judgement to go. It is low reward for the pitcher to throw over in the situation but as we know the games are not always programmed so appropriately.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Situation: Bottom of the 8th. KC up 6-5 to Indians (me). Zimmer on 1st. Count is full with 2 outs. I send Zimmer (steal 83) and pitcher throws to first, pickoff because Zimmer ran.

Now given the situation I can see it being realistic even though its never (that I known of) been done on a full count with 2 outs that a pitcher would throw over. Its automatic that the runner would run. Also, I have seen it here and there in over all the games Ive played, but the runner has always stayed on the bag.

Im not mad that it happened, just kind of :O that it did.

Should the game program in that on a full count with 2 outs it automatically should send the runner(s)? Not that that might have changed this outcome, but just because its a give me in baseball.

Just looking for feedback and thought this was interesting occurrence.

I have seen it done on full counts with 2 outs in MLB many times just for that reason. Its not to keep the runner from going of course, its to catch them being lazy or moving early.

[reyes the roof]

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I've never paid that close of attention to it, but I'm pretty sure the cpu always automatically sends the runner for me on a 3-2 count with 2 outs. Theoretically, if you're manually sending the guy to steal he's going to be more aggressive than when someone is running on a 3-2 count with 2 outs because getting the best jump isn't as important

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I have seen pitchers throw over 3-2 2 out if the first baseman is holding the runner on, though it is rare. With Zimmer on first if the first baseman is holding him on there is no point to send him on first movement. So once the pitcher is committed to going home then take off...but I'm not sure the game gives us that ability.

The game should with 3-2 2 out runner on first have the first baseman play behind the runner (if that's not happening that is change 1) and have the runner take off in this situation if the first baseman is playing behind him (change 2). If they don't play behind then you have to use judgement to go. It is low reward for the pitcher to throw over in the situation but as we know the games are not always programmed so appropriately.

This brings up another (related) issue. Sometimes i want to position my first baseman to play behind the runner instead of holding them on, due to the game situation. I can never get him do do this. Am i missing an obvious way to do this? In some situations late in 2 or 3 run games, its crucial that he not hold the runner on.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I've never paid that close of attention to it, but I'm pretty sure the cpu always automatically sends the runner for me on a 3-2 count with 2 outs. Theoretically, if you're manually sending the guy to steal he's going to be more aggressive than when someone is running on a 3-2 count with 2 outs because getting the best jump isn't as important

They are more aggressive than a real life player would be. But if i dont send them, they dont go.

[forme95]

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I have seen it done on full counts with 2 outs in MLB many times just for that reason. Its not to keep the runner from going of course, its to catch them being lazy or moving early.

Interesting. Like I said, I have never known it to happen. Thanks. I do watch other team games, although not that much. I always watch the Indians or mostly the Braves (moms favorite team), or Rays (local team) if nothing is on.

I have seen pitchers throw over 3-2 2 out if the first baseman is holding the runner on, though it is rare. With Zimmer on first if the first baseman is holding him on there is no point to send him on first movement. So once the pitcher is committed to going home then take off...but I'm not sure the game gives us that ability.

The game should with 3-2 2 out runner on first have the first baseman play behind the runner (if that's not happening that is change 1) and have the runner take off in this situation if the first baseman is playing behind him (change 2). If they don't play behind then you have to use judgement to go. It is low reward for the pitcher to throw over in the situation but as we know the games are not always programmed so appropriately.

I was caught up in the moment trying to regain the lead that, ya, I should have noticed they were holding him on and shouldnt have ran him. Like I said, I was more :O than mad. Its apart of the game and I fell asleep at the moment.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Interesting. Like I said, I have never known it to happen. Thanks. I do watch other team games, although not that much. I always watch the Indians or mostly the Braves (moms favorite team), or Rays (local team) if nothing is on.

Yeah when ive seen it, they dont keep throwing over, its just a random toss. And usually its a fairly lazy pickoff move, because if he is moving, hes moving anyway, and usually not at full speed.

[countryboy]

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This brings up another (related) issue. Sometimes i want to position my first baseman to play behind the runner instead of holding them on, due to the game situation. I can never get him do do this. Am i missing an obvious way to do this? In some situations late in 2 or 3 run games, its crucial that he not hold the runner on.

Yes

Go into defense positioning and select the first baseman and change from hold runner on to normal or something else

If I was home I’d screenshot it for you but I’m not....unfortunately




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[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Yes

Go into defense positioning and select the first baseman and change from hold runner on to normal or something else

If I was home I’d screenshot it for you but I’m not....unfortunately




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Thank you. Not sure what im doing wrong.

I have tried to position the 1B into Straight up, or Guard lines, when there is a runner on first, and i push Apply, he moves while on that screen, but as soon as i push Apply he immediately goes back to the bag. I move other individual players regularly and never have a problem.

I have to be missing something. If you think about it later, maybe you can show me how you do it if you dont mind. Its probably something simple im just missing.

[countryboy]

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Thank you. Not sure what im doing wrong.



I have tried to position the 1B into Straight up, or Guard lines, when there is a runner on first, and i push Apply, he moves while on that screen, but as soon as i push Apply he immediately goes back to the bag. I move other individual players regularly and never have a problem.



I have to be missing something. If you think about it later, maybe you can show me how you do it if you dont mind. Its probably something simple im just missing.

I’ll be on later tonight

I know I’ve done...I think....I’m getting old though lol


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[tessl]

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Situation: Bottom of the 8th. KC up 6-5 to Indians (me). Zimmer on 1st. Count is full with 2 outs. I send Zimmer (steal 83) and pitcher throws to first, pickoff because Zimmer ran.

Now given the situation I can see it being realistic even though its never (that I known of) been done on a full count with 2 outs that a pitcher would throw over. Its automatic that the runner would run. Also, I have seen it here and there in over all the games Ive played, but the runner has always stayed on the bag.

Im not mad that it happened, just kind of :O that it did.

Should the game program in that on a full count with 2 outs it automatically should send the runner(s)? Not that that might have changed this outcome, but just because its a give me in baseball.

Just looking for feedback and thought this was interesting occurrence.

I'm guessing you are using manage mode and it's a glitch in the game. The CPU runners automatically go with 3-2 and 2 outs on a force play but the user controlled runner doesn't go and you have to instruct him to steal.

IRL the runner waits until he is sure the pitcher is going home before he runs which removes the possibility of a pickoff. I haven't reported it because I've seen times in the past where they fixed one thing and messed up something else.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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I’ll be on later tonight

I know I’ve done...I think....I’m getting old though lol


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Haha sounds good i appreciate it

[Caulfield]

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Now given the situation I can see it being realistic even though its never (that I known of) been done on a full count with 2 outs that a pitcher would throw over. Its automatic that the runner would run. Also, I have seen it here and there in over all the games Ive played, but the runner has always stayed on the bag.

Im not mad that it happened, just kind of :O that it did.

Should the game program in that on a full count with 2 outs it automatically should send the runner(s)? Not that that might have changed this outcome, but just because its a give me in baseball.

Just looking for feedback and thought this was interesting occurrence.

dont know if this is off topic or even constructive but IMO, one of the many things I love about baseball is when I see something I've never seen before. there need be more of these goodies in the game. this scenario would also be great posted in the little things thread.

[countryboy]

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Haha sounds good i appreciate it

I apologize man. I just tried it and it didn't work.

I did everything I could think of to make the 1B play behind the runner but with no luck. Each time he held the runner on.

I swore I did it before, but maybe I thought I did and didn't pay attention that it didn't work or maybe I had one too many and I was seeing two first basemen one covering and one behind.